23-03-2003 06:47									#1
	Non-confrontational war thread: Why is "Old Europe" refered to as "Old Eu Full PM-box? Change here!

*Not a pro or anti-war thread*

Surely the Europe of old is warmongering and perfectly willing to ***** on anyone who isn't white? How is opposing the war "Old Europe"?


*This isn't meant to imply that pro-war individuals are warmongering of willing to **** on non-whites

	23-03-2003 06:49									#2
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Old Europe is referred to as Old Europe because Rumsfeld claims it to be Old Europe. Naturally other aggressive pro-war Apolytonners have taken over that ridiculous term.

	23-03-2003 06:50									#3
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Germany + France were the core of the creation and sustenance of the EU for half a century. "New Europe" suggests a diminishment of that core. Rumsfeld meant something very precise with his comment.

	23-03-2003 06:52									#4
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Well since Germany and France are most in favour of further European cooperation, I can't see how they are no longer the core of the EU.

	23-03-2003 06:52									#5
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Rumsfield just wanted to coin a term to seperate friend from foe.

I'm surprised that he managed to refrain from just calling them terrorists.

	23-03-2003 06:56									#6
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I can't see how they are no longer the core of the EU

I didn't say they were no longer the core.

But their power relative to the rest of the EU is diminishing and there are likely to be successful coalitions against them in the EU in the future on some items.

	23-03-2003 06:56									#7
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Rumsfield came up with a catchy phrase. We are stuck with it now. DanS, I think, explains the meaning pretty well.

	23-03-2003 06:59									#8
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I think it goes further than what DanS said: "Old Europe" is old cause they don't back the new and revolutionary vision of the US for the future. New Europe, through its support for the US, does.

	23-03-2003 09:46									#9
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Old Europe has had their time.

Their time is over.

	23-03-2003 10:08									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Old Europe has had their time. Their time is over.

Do you honestly think that Eastern Europe is going to dominate over western europe?

	23-03-2003 10:10									#11
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Old Europe is called Old Europe because they have white hair, arthritis, dementia and are cranky towards youngsters.

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	23-03-2003 10:13									#12
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quote: Originally posted by GePap I think it goes further than what DanS said: "Old Europe" is old cause they don't back the new and revolutionary vision of the US for the future. New Europe, through its support for the US, does.

GePap, I think DanS had the technical reasons correct, and I think you nailed the psychological ones.

	23-03-2003 10:35									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 Do you honestly think that Eastern Europe is going to dominate over western europe?

Considering they are siding with the US, yes.

	23-03-2003 10:54									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Old Europe has had their time. Their time is over.

Yep, sure; story time with Teddy.

	23-03-2003 11:00									#15
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You know what I'm talking about Viking Eurocom descendent.

	23-03-2003 11:37									#16
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By the way, Brits don't count as either Eurocoms or Old Europe. They are running a solid team over there.

	23-03-2003 11:39									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Considering they are siding with the US, yes.

And when do you think, say, Kiev will become the ultimate european destination?

20 years? 40? Hmm.....Maybe thats a bit too soon Sorry, but I highly doubt countries like LITHUANIA and UKRAINE and ESTONIA could in any way, shape, or form surpass countries like GERMANY and FRANCE.

	23-03-2003 11:59									#18
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It's an... interesting term, coined by a man... bereft of a clue about diplomacy.

It reminds me of diplomacy in Demo Games where people shoot off their mouths in whatever bellicose ways that strike them at the moment.

	23-03-2003 12:01									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 And when do you think, say, Kiev will become the ultimate european destination? 20 years? 40? Hmm.....Maybe thats a bit too soon Sorry, but I highly doubt countries like LITHUANIA and UKRAINE and ESTONIA could in any way, shape, or form surpass countries like GERMANY and FRANCE.

I noticed you mentioned the age old Russian enemies...interesting examples you used there...

	23-03-2003 12:49									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker I noticed you mentioned the age old Russian enemies...interesting examples you used there...

Please respond to the subject, not the EXAMPLES i used.

And if it makes you happy: Belarus, Latvia, Albania, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, and Hungary.

	23-03-2003 12:52									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 And when do you think, say, Kiev will become the ultimate european destination? 20 years? 40? Hmm.....Maybe thats a bit too soon Sorry, but I highly doubt countries like LITHUANIA and UKRAINE and ESTONIA could in any way, shape, or form surpass countries like GERMANY and FRANCE.

In the way of standing up for what's right...they already have.

	23-03-2003 12:53									#22
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Already responded to it above.

	23-03-2003 12:54									#23
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quote: Rumsfield just wanted to coin a term to seperate friend from foe.

quote: Old Europe has had their time. Their time is over.

Erm. I've always thought that you're very friendly towards UK?

quote: You know what I'm talking about Viking Eurocom descendent.

Check previous comment.

quote: I noticed you mentioned the age old Russian enemies

Estonia?

	23-03-2003 12:56									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Tuomerehu Erm. I've always thought that you're very friendly towards UK?

UK is not a part of Eurocom land.

They are smart enough to keep their distance.