24-03-2003 18:25									#1
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Ok this is borderline acceptable for a new war thread as I know it falls right under an existing one, but it's your call Ming. I just want the flat numbers of apolyton opinion on this, it isn't so much meant for specific debate - that reasonable?

So, does a considerable amount of the Baghdad population despise Saddam, and if so - should they not be allowed to flee the city? They perhaps do, but at the same time are fearful of contact with US troops outside. However, does a considerable portion of the city not fear the US troops on their own, and wish to leave as refugees? I will leave population support for Saddam out of the basic choices... as it will come under fire

Yet most importantly - Are they currently allowed to leave, if they wish?

Inform me, and vote your voice - thankya!

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	24-03-2003 18:32									#2
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I voted 1, 2, and 4

From that, I accuse a very nasty tactic of the Iraqi army. Can you name it?

	24-03-2003 22:13									#3
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4 voters? YOUCH!

	24-03-2003 22:17									#4
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Where is the BANANA option?!?

	24-03-2003 22:19									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Spectator Where is the BANANA option?!?

The Bananas have been hit by the sanctions!

	24-03-2003 22:23									#6
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It's clear what they want.
A chance to walk the earth, as free human beings .
The U.N screwed them over during part 1 of the Gulf War.
Thousands killed by Hussein.

They're pleading to not half-step this time.
And the Coalition troops (notice it's not called U.N. troops this time around?), consisting of the U.S., England, and Australia won't let them down again.

	24-03-2003 22:24									#7
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No Bannanas for Oil!

	24-03-2003 22:27									#8
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Some Canuks.

	24-03-2003 22:28									#9
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After all their strongest wish will be to survive the war

	24-03-2003 23:09									#10
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Yep. From that desire they decide whether or not to fear the soldiers they "surrender" to. From there, the final portion ready to do the deed has to be allowed. According to those of Apolyton (for now), this significant group probably isn't allowed.

...So if they aren't allowed, they'll ask why:

R guard - "For your own safety away from the monster Americans!"
Citizen - "Well... to be honest, I'd like to take my chances, rather than eat their faceless bombs... see ya"
R guard - "If you indeed choose that suicidal path, I have no choice but to shoot you. Now get back inside"

	24-03-2003 23:10									#11
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we should just ask them. no one thought of that Of course there is a man in power preventing that. So I say we remove the man in power preventing us from asking them. And then we ask them.

	24-03-2003 23:12									#12
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Where's the "Iraqis are too poor and can't afford to flee option?" That's the main difference between 1991 and now. THen, Iraqis had the means to flee... now, the only option is to walk in the desert.

	24-03-2003 23:57									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Where's the "Iraqis are too poor and can't afford to flee option?" That's the main difference between 1991 and now. THen, Iraqis had the means to flee... now, the only option is to walk in the desert.

Yep,
those german Reporter which have been in Baghdad (and. like Antonia Radosch, still are) talk about this being the reason why many people havenīt fled.
Those who could afford it are already away from Baghdad while the other people who are too poor or fear for their Possessions still are there, opening their shops and doing their regular work (and hoping they or their possessions donīt get hit by a Precision Weapon).

	25-03-2003 00:04									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Where's the "Iraqis are too poor and can't afford to flee option?" That's the main difference between 1991 and now. THen, Iraqis had the means to flee... now, the only option is to walk in the desert.

But when the US approach the outskirts, would not those who see them as liberators do the quick dash towards their camps? It can't be too far a walk when the initial forces surround the city

	25-03-2003 01:08									#15
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Only Apolytoners living in Baghdad should vote!

	25-03-2003 01:25									#16
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The West has fundamentally misjudged the nationalism of the Iraqi people. All this talk of how Iraq isn't really a nation, and how the Sunnis and Shi'ites were at each others throats, was all just nonsense. The religious differences hardly matter in a secular society, and Iraq has been through hell and back, which has certainly created a nation where there wasn't one before.

	25-03-2003 01:33									#17
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1,2, and 4.

	26-03-2003 10:49									#18
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This war is all about money.
For the Chinese its about the multi-billion dollar fiberoptic military communication system they installed.
For the French its about cheap oil contracts as payola for military equipment and the attempt to give Saddam nuclear power 15 years ago.
For the Germanys because Hitlers bunker builder got 100,000,000 dollars to build Saddams bunker in Baghdad (which was destroyed by a 2 million dollar tomahawk cruise missille)
For the Russians, a very lucrative military supply contract of night vision devices and global positioning signal blocking units.
Is there any doubts why these countrys are opposing this?????
For The United States, its about the billions of dollars we will SPEND to fight the war and then even more to rebuild the damage done, and for what? we dont get oil from Iraqi.......FOR THE US ITS ALL ABOUT EXPORTING FREEDOM DUMMY.....

	26-03-2003 10:59									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka I voted 1, 2, and 4 From that, I accuse a very nasty tactic of the Iraqi army. Can you name it?

I did to

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	26-03-2003 11:10									#20
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Some Canuks.

Poor US.

	26-03-2003 17:40									#21
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quote: Originally posted by StrategicKingMi This war is all about money. For the Chinese its about the multi-billion dollar fiberoptic military communication system they installed. For the French its about cheap oil contracts as payola for military equipment and the attempt to give Saddam nuclear power 15 years ago. For the Germanys because Hitlers bunker builder got 100,000,000 dollars to build Saddams bunker in Baghdad (which was destroyed by a 2 million dollar tomahawk cruise missille) For the Russians, a very lucrative military supply contract of night vision devices and global positioning signal blocking units. Is there any doubts why these countrys are opposing this????? For The United States, its about the billions of dollars we will SPEND to fight the war and then even more to rebuild the damage done, and for what? we dont get oil from Iraqi.......FOR THE US ITS ALL ABOUT EXPORTING FREEDOM DUMMY.....

This one was good, especially the last one

	26-03-2003 18:30									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Proteus_MST This one was good, especially the last one

The Yanks have a great way to make fun of themselves, just like the Brits