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Worthingtons
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Pride Park,Derby
Jan 2002
time: 05:27
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In my current game i found myself helplessely behind in Technology, so I decided to some trading with the French , Military Tradition,Magnatism,Nationalism and Steam power for about 700gpt and furs. I then, of course, declared war 
Problem is, I want to win the game by Democracy  , Is there anyway I can mend the reputation hit over time, or is what i did too bigger crime?
Ps , it's my first main crime apart from a mild sneak attack once
Cheers
Matt
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Fosse
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U.S.A.
Mar 2002
time: 23:27
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I don't know how badly this will hurt the chances of other Civs voting for you, but you can count on France being against you forever.
What this will do is make it very difficult for you to arrange gpt and luxury trades to other civs... having those trades in place raises their opinions of you. Since you won't be trading very much, your opponants will and will thus be more liked by the world in general.
You can still win a diplomatic game... but it sounds like you made it a lot harder on yourself.
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badams52
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near the magic kingdom
May 2002
time: 21:27
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Winning a diplomatic (I assume that's what you meant) victory is largely based on the AIs attitude and reputation towards you. For a detailed analysis you can look at this thread AI Attitude Revealed on civ fanatics.
But for a quick sum: you have caused this to be counted against you (being + is bad)
+4 if you break a trade route (like pillaging your own road) that cancels a treaty. In addition to the -5 you lost since you are no longer trading resources, it will feel like +9. Other civs will add +1.
Fosse is right that none of the AIs will accept gpt deals from you anymore, but you should still be able to get gpt deals and trade your luxuries away which will improve the attitude of the other civs toward you. According to current knowledge, giving a gift to France in excess of 500 will improve their attitude -10 for a length of 50 turns.Which will offset the +4 penalty you incurred. You could also just give them 100 g before you vote to improve their attitude by -10
Last edited by badams52 on 24-03-2003 at 23:20
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badams52
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near the magic kingdom
May 2002
time: 21:27
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quote:
Originally posted by Theseus
Rothy, you are a bad person. Tsk tsk.
When you said "win by Democracy" did you you mean by a UN vote? Doable, but very tough. |
I don't know about that. As long as you war when someone else declares war on you, keep your trade up, give gifts, sign ROPs, and build the UN, I don't think it's that tough.
But if you're declaring wars, razing cities, breaking trade agreements, then it's tough.
I used to be able to win diplomatically, but that was before I leaned the power of the darkside. 
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MPatton
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Houston,TX
Mar 2003
time: 05:27
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How is this for bad reputation.
Maintain one real enemy.
trade with everyone else with your luxury items.
Then when you conquer your enemy off their land and force you to look for the rest attack the next closest country. Also raze every major city of your enemy. By using reputation the others are pleased to have happy citizens and are less likely to make war pacts against you and you make so more income and slow the other civs down. I did not have to lok hard for the two remaining Russian cities but everyone else is far far away.
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MPatton
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Houston,TX
Mar 2003
time: 05:27
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I am not working towards a diplomatic win I just don't want everyone to make war pacts on me.
With two peaceful civs left I make about 150 gold a turn in trades. I also try to keep them up to date as possible. I also hate getting disposed which is why I raze.
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Worthingtons
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Pride Park,Derby
Jan 2002
time: 05:27
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Is there any penalty for complete civilisation eradication!?? (Diplomatic of course)
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24-03-2003 21:11
Diplo victories are welcome victories when the game is won, but the player has some sort of aversion to just "quitting" a game (as I do 
). A game I finished yesterday was on emperor, a large archipelago map with 24 civs (3 had been eliminated). I had 1 1/2 of the two biggest continents and reached the modern age while the second best civ was still fighting with riflemen. I could've played 10+ hours more of overrunning everyone with my tanks/artillery - soon to be mordern armor, but I much prefer to start a new game. I don't want to quit a game, so the solution was to go directly for fission, keep a leader and hurry the UN for the fastest possible win.
i.e. you refuse their greedy offer. The stupid diplomacy-AI might even DOW you based on refusal to give them huge gifts, when they should know they get their @ss kicked. Only if it was a far more poweful civ, it would be logical. 
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