24-03-2003 23:42									#31
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 the only way we fight china is in the C&C: Generals realm

Or Civ3 of course!

	24-03-2003 23:43									#32
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but i prefer games that racially stereotype my friends

	24-03-2003 23:44									#33
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what willem said

see willem, I can agree with you

	24-03-2003 23:56									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber what willem said see willem, I can agree with you

I never doubted it for a moment. You are a Canadian after all, we're the masters of compromise! Well except for Asher maybe.

PS But then, what can you expect from an Albertan?

	24-03-2003 23:59									#35
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didnt you hear willem, asher is using linux on an AMD now

	25-03-2003 01:05									#36
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quote: China executes more people than the rest of the world combined, and that includes Texas.

someone please do a comparison of the population of china and the rest of the world...

btw, did you know that china has more population than the whole "coalition of the willing and the hiding"(the willing are the ones that are announced, the hiding are the ones that have not been announced)?

btw(2), check the latest imarton news, the chinese are making great scientific advances!

	25-03-2003 01:13									#37
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG btw(2), check the latest imarton news, the chinese are making great scientific advances!

Cool. Maybe we should get them to work on the email spam problem.

PS If we could tie that into a call display system, we could give telemarketers a taste of their own medicine.

	25-03-2003 01:32									#38
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There is no way the US could seriously invade China.

	25-03-2003 01:43									#39
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Damn, wrong button again!

	25-03-2003 01:51									#40
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I read the novel "Invasion" by Eric L. Harry a couple of years ago. There it is the other way around and US is invaded by China. The scene is perhaps 10-20 years from now, when the technology evolution ironically has made tanks, warplanes and ICBMs obsolete. The anti-missile defence of both sides eliminate the threath of ICBMs, while cheap, shoulder-fire missiles carried by every grunt can take out tanks and aircraft even beyond the horizon. So, basically the fighting is back to WW1-style but with better rifles.

Pure fiction, but an amazing future prediction.

	25-03-2003 02:49									#41
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sounds interesting.

and yes technology could make those things obsolete.

Esp. if those EMP burst devices could be provided to every soldier. Imagine just using a targetted electromagnetic pulse that disables tanks, planes, and missiles at will. Although tanks may be able to use shielding to protect them from that. Planes and missiles might be too heavy with shielding.

but imagine what other electronic warfare capability will be developed in the future. That could make those things obsolete. Then we'd have to go back to using non-electronic dummy bombs and artillery. It would send us back to WW1 indeed.

	25-03-2003 03:23									#42
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As the Sicilian said in the princes bride: "never get involved in a Land war in Asia (east asia, ME dount count for the nitpicky)

	25-03-2003 03:38									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Olaf Hårfagre I read the novel "Invasion" by Eric L. Harry a couple of years ago. There it is the other way around and US is invaded by China. The scene is perhaps 10-20 years from now, when the technology evolution ironically has made tanks, warplanes and ICBMs obsolete. The anti-missile defence of both sides eliminate the threath of ICBMs, while cheap, shoulder-fire missiles carried by every grunt can take out tanks and aircraft even beyond the horizon. So, basically the fighting is back to WW1-style but with better rifles. Pure fiction, but an amazing future prediction.

Hopefully in twenty years, economic integration will make it unprofitable for the U.S. to wage war on China (or vice versa). If that scenario takes place then the world is in for some major $hit.

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As for the initial speculation in the thread that the U.S. will invade China -- uh, this is not a civ game, you know. A nuclear war in the real world will result in economic collapse, climate changes, and other things that might end human civilization.

In fact, I'd be surprised if America invades even, say, Iran. With the current diplomatic mess they'd want to cut losses and allow the sentiments to die down.

	25-03-2003 04:04									#44
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Short people suck.

	25-03-2003 04:19									#45
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I have to say that I think it would be folly to dismiss the technology and training of the Chinese military as trivial. While they are not the most advanced military in the world (or even the region, for that matter), their technology is sufficient for causing any invading force serious problems given their numbers. As far as I know, they have the most recent Soviet gear, as well as some of their own little surprises.

	25-03-2003 05:22									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident sounds interesting. and yes technology could make those things obsolete. Esp. if those EMP burst devices could be provided to every soldier. Imagine just using a targetted electromagnetic pulse that disables tanks, planes, and missiles at will. Although tanks may be able to use shielding to protect them from that. Planes and missiles might be too heavy with shielding. but imagine what other electronic warfare capability will be developed in the future. That could make those things obsolete. Then we'd have to go back to using non-electronic dummy bombs and artillery. It would send us back to WW1 indeed.

Not. Russians would go back by few years when they had nice EMP hardening, don't know how much it was damaged by using "western electronics", on their planes. Satelites would be in danger just by ASAT. Only US planes and troops would be in big problems.

BTW this would be nice too.

http://www.eurekalert.org/features/...l-bff053102.php

	25-03-2003 07:54									#47
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Women are 2nd, no, 3rd class citizens.

Maybe in the US.

quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Short people suck.

Wait till they cut you off the the kneecaps.

	25-03-2003 08:03									#48
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quote: Originally posted by BlackStone Maybe I have been reading too many Tom Clancy novels.......

One is too many.

	25-03-2003 09:33									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison

the great thing is you look asian.

	25-03-2003 09:52									#50
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand China executes more people than the rest of the world combined, and that includes Texas.

quote: Originally posted by MarkG someone please do a comparison of the population of china and the rest of the world...

Texas 2002 Executions: 33
Texas 2002 Population: 21.5M
Texas Execution Rate 2002: 1.53 per Million

China 2001 Executions: 2,500
China 2001 Populations: 1.2B
China Execution Rate = 2.08 per Million

Difference is only 1 more execution per 2 million people. Not bad for a communist government and a backward people, eh?

In fairness, Texas only executed 17 people in 2001, however, Texas executed 40 people in 2000.

	25-03-2003 10:01									#51
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quote: Originally posted by muppet Not bad for a communist government and a backward people, eh?

Suffices to say that both of the above statements are blatantly inaccurate.

	25-03-2003 14:03									#52
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quote: Difference is only 1 more execution per 2 million people. Not bad for a communist government and a backward people, eh?

almost like a lottery

	25-03-2003 14:28									#53
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quote: Originally posted by BlackStone Eli, you have this quote as a signature "We will have peace with the Arabs when they will love their children more than they hate us" - Golda Meir. I think it probably truer to say that you will have peace with the Arabs once your external funding stops. feels good

You threadjacked your own thread

	25-03-2003 14:31									#54
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quote: Originally posted by ranskaldan Suffices to say that both of the above statements are blatantly inaccurate.

I think that's said in a tongue-in-cheek sort of way.

	25-03-2003 14:35									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Eli BlackStone : quote: I think it probably truer to say that you will have peace with the Arabs once your external funding stops. Since such situation will quickly lead to a world shortage of Arabs and Oil, you'll lose more than you'll gain.

Excellent, theres nothing like listening to a draft dodger talking tough.

	25-03-2003 14:46									#56
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger You threadjacked your own thread

I am employing Iraqi standard military tactics in this thread. Thats right I have none!

Anyway I haven't been on for a while and I couldn't resist.


Slow

It is the United Kingdom & British in this war with you not just England.

	25-03-2003 19:36									#57
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Women are 2nd, no, 3rd class citizens.

Actually, I was shocked by how many women are treated in China. While most admit that the communist revolution improved the status of women there, China is still lagging compared to the West in this regard. Which is a shame, because the women tend to come across more intelligent and sophisticated than the men, who come across as (pardon my express, and this certainly doesn't apply to all, just too many that I've met there) goofballs.

	25-03-2003 19:42									#58
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quote: Excellent, theres nothing like listening to a draft dodger talking tough

	25-03-2003 19:48									#59
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He's right though.

	25-03-2003 21:28									#60
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quote: Excellent, theres nothing like listening to a draft dodger talking tough.

I would've insulted you, but my English insults always sound lame.

I'll just have to civilly remind you that i'm a draft dodger who's going to commit himself for 9 years to the army, and 6 of them I'll be actively serving.