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Lincoln is offline Lincoln
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New Australian poll shows majority now favour war

CANBERRA, March 25 (Reuters) - The number of Australians supporting the U.S.-led war against Iraq outweigh the opponents for the first time after a change in sentiment as the conflict began last week, according to an opinion poll on Tuesday.

The Newspoll survey of 1,200 people in The Australian newspaper found support for military action to disarm Iraqi President Saddam Hussein rose to 50 percent as war began from 45 percent, with more backing from women, younger people and opposition Labor supporters.

The number opposing Australia's involvement in the war, with 2,000 Australian military personnel now in action in the Gulf, fell to 42 percent in the March 21-23 survey from 47 percent in a similar poll conducted on the eve of the conflict.

But the leader of the left-leaning Greens Party, Bob Brown, a leading anti-war campaigner, said not too much significance should be placed on the latest poll with daily protests against the conflict continuing around the country.

"If the battle doesn't go right, that support will fall away very quickly," Brown told reporters.

The turnaround in sentiment is mirrored in polling in Britain where there was a large swing in opinion as the conflict began on March 20, with 54 percent of Britons now approving of the war.

U.S. President George W. Bush has the support of his nation for the military conflict that has divided world opinion.

The Newspoll survey found the change in Australians' sentiment had also boosted the standing of Prime Minister John Howard and his conservative government which has consistently led in the polls since winning a third term in government in 2001.

Sixty percent of 1,150 respondents chose Howard as preferred prime minister, up from 51 percent in a poll a week earlier, and his coalition government had 45 percent support compared to Labor's 34 percent. The next election is due by early 2005.

Support for Labor leader Simon Crean, who is struggling to gain traction with voters, fell again with only 19 percent of respondents choosing him as preferred leader, down from 22 percent, and 58 percent dissatisfied with his performance.

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I threw in the "intelligent" part for effect.


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50/50 support is not strong support.

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It's better than 40/60 support

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50/50 support is not strong support.


I knew this would drag you in Horse. You are so predictable...

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Is Australias population now 1,200?

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Compare that to the 75% support well before the war if the UN agreed with the invasion.

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Hardly dragged in - but to say support has just staggered over 50% is nothing to cheer about. Still a very disturbingly low level of support.

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I have to agree, 50/50 is very bad for the start of the war. I expect it to drop even further once young Aussies and Brits start returning home in body bags.

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Under Democracy, War Weariness actually has a positive effect on happiness. However, it doesn't last long. You can expect some revolts in Australian size 12+ cities in the future, if the war lasts as much.

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Aussies? They aren't in combat zones are they? They are supporting us, but I didn't think they were in direct combat.

And Spiff. We are after the year 2000. I'm sure we can go at least 10 turns. That is 10 years.

So I think we can handle 10 more years of war.

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Yeah, our SAS captured a couple of airfields in the Western desert and secured oil wells in the South. They also destroyed a missile launcher. The Australian navy intercepted a tug with 67 mines on board and naval forces clearing the Shat al Arab waterway are under Australian command. The airforce Hornets have been doing tactical bombing. Australian landing craft were used around Um Qasr.

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Aussies have size +12 cities? I thought they all lived in the outback, drank fosters, and played with kangaroos and dingos.

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We have 150 SAS deep in "enemy-held" territory, spotting targets and such.
Our obsolete navy was also involved with land-bombardment.

And no Aussie drinks Fosters - theres a reason why we ship it out of Australia to other countries.

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Intelligent Australian? An oxymoron. Ask any NZer.

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English speaking countries

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Support for the war got a bounce of about 5% from patriotic support for Australian troops in the field. That's about all that's changed. Not much really.

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Q. Why wasn't Jesus born in Australia?

A. Because they couldn't find three wise men and a virgin.


Seriously though - this is just a "war bulge" - of course the countries with men in the field are going to experience an increase in pro-war feeling. Many people don't like to be in opposition with their troops in the field. This is the only explanation since the Coalition has so far produced no new evidence or gained no spectacular victory to merit the rise in public support.

The problem for the coalition is if things go badly or if there are vast numbers of civilian casualties. Then I'd suggest that support will turn to - get our guys out of there.

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I threw in the "intelligent" part for effect.




And I'm banning people for trolling, nationalist insults, provacations and general incivility.

Just so you (and everyone else) are aware, the trigger is faster than ever, and my criteria is that if I have to actually think about whether it's inside the line of acceptability, it's probably close enough that I may as well just act anyway.

This war is going to heat up, so are people's emotions, and I'm going to get harder assed and less reasonable than usual.

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Its okay - we Aussies like Lincoln.

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Under Democracy, War Weariness actually has a positive effect on happiness. However, it doesn't last long. You can expect some revolts in Australian size 12+ cities in the future, if the war lasts as much.


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And I'm banning people for trolling, nationalist insults, provacations and general incivility.


Are New Zealanders still allowed to poke fun at Australians? It's our national pastime after all.

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Ming doesn't like NZ bashing but I'm not sure about Aussie bashing.

We have a high tolerance for insults so fire away as far as I'm concerned.

Since we won the Cricket World Cup and New Zealand didn't even make the final I think we're all in a mood to be tolerant of our little neighbour across the Tasman.

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quote:
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Ming doesn't like NZ bashing but I'm not sure about Aussie bashing.


I didn't know Ming was a Kiwi.

quote:
We have a high tolerance for insults so fire away as far as I'm concerned.

Since we won the Cricket World Cup and New Zealand didn't even make the final I think we're all in a mood to be tolerant of our little neighbour across the Tasman.


Yeah - but I bet all your team were on drugs or bowled underarm again.

Grrrrr....

PS. Congrats on the win.

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Ta - I found it a bit dull at the end.

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I didn't watch it as it wasn't on in Canada.

It's funny here - no one knows anything about cricket except the immigrants. I get the third degree every time I mention I'm from NZ as they are so desperate to talk about it. Not that I mind - well I mind because we've been cr*p since 92.

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Edit: Never mind.

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Are you Aussies/Kiwis more concerned about Cricket, Rugby or Soccer ?

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You did well in Australia last year.

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But rabbits are defeating the Aussies on the home front!

 
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