26-03-2003 02:47									#31
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My best guess is that the original members of the ECSC constitue "Old Europe": France, Germany, Italy, and Benelux.

Regardless, Rumsfeld is an idiot. I am far to the right of American Politics and think that he is terrible for the country. I especially hate how he simply dismisses the German Heritage of a huge population of the U.S. (between 25%-33%), and the crucial role that France palyed in our independence. America is the extenion of "Old Europe". Its heritage is our heritage, and I am appalled by how easily most Americans forget that.

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	26-03-2003 02:49									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac Didn't Spain support the American independence as well??

Yes. I think Spain joined the Franco-American alliance in 1780. Not entirely sureabout the date though.

	26-03-2003 02:50									#33
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quote: Originally posted by nationalist My best guess is that the original members of the ECSC: France, Germany, Italy, and Benelux. Regardless, Rumsfeld is an idiot. I am far to the right of American Politics and think that he is terrible for the country. I especially hate how he simply dismisses the German Heritage of a huge population of the U.S. (between 25%-33%), and the crucial role that France palyed in our independence. America is the extenion of "Old Europe". Its heritage is our heritage, and I am appalled by how easily most Americans forget that.

	26-03-2003 07:47									#34
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Old Europe = Eurocoms

Primary led by France and recenlty joined by Germany. Bolstered by support from Benelux, Switzerland, and Austria.

Spain, Italy, and UK and not part of Eurocomland.

	26-03-2003 09:11									#35
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Little something I whipped up...





Hope that fixed it.

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	26-03-2003 09:12									#36
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Doh! For some reason, "$*#@ing Poly" got erased... supposed to be on Greece...

	26-03-2003 09:13									#37
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damn

I was anxiously awaiting.

Can you get it back?

	26-03-2003 09:15									#38
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You mocking me, Striker?

You're not above being replaced with a blow-up balloon pilot, you know.

	26-03-2003 09:21									#39
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Nah I was with you dog. I wanted to see it.

	26-03-2003 09:27									#40
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Put it back dog!!!

	26-03-2003 09:30									#41
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There ya go, dog. Can I get a pimpin' smiley for my pains?

	26-03-2003 09:32									#42
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I can't see it.

	26-03-2003 09:33									#43
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You still the man though.

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	26-03-2003 09:37									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker I can't see it.

Huh? It's right there, just to the SW of Greece... should be on the old map now, I can see it.

quote: You still the man though.

Damn right.



Solid.

	26-03-2003 16:12									#45
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Not a thing. Did you mess up again?

	26-03-2003 16:29									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Monk While we're at it, does anybody know why the Danish government would send a submarine to assist the coalition in a campaign of desert warfare? It's a serious question.

No replies are also a kind of answer..........

	26-03-2003 16:32									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Monk Aznar in Spain is a huge Bush fan and the Danish government has even dispatched some troops (that you'll never hear about). Does this make these countries New Europe or rather not-so-new-but-not-that-Old Europe-either?

Spain is something in the middle. The government (and the people who vote it) is clearly New Europe, but the oposition and the people who destroys our streets in the name of "peace" is Old Europe. Very Old Europe in fact. They still live in 1936. They still believe that the USSR will "save" them (someone please! tell them that the USSR doesn't exists yet!) I hope that New Europe continues to govern in Spain, because things go much more better since then.

	26-03-2003 16:44									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph Didn't the Spaniards send (among other forces) a submarine too to retake that rock near the Moroccan coast (forgot the name), captured by no less than 12 soldiers?

No, we didn't send a submarine. And by the way, the Perejil Island is ours.

	26-03-2003 16:47									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I didn't know they sent a submarine for Persil Island. I thought they only thumped their chest. What does the Spanish army look like ? I heard it sucks, but it is pure hearsay, and I have no reliable info on it...

The Spanish Army is OK but too small
I suppose that we can thank the military budget cuts for it

	26-03-2003 16:52									#50
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quote: Bolstered by support from Benelux, Switzerland, and Austria.

It's Belgium, not Benelux, last thing I heard was that the Netherlands are a bit in favour of the war, nio?

	26-03-2003 17:00									#51
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Up to this war, I believed "Old Europe" was all nations, that had existed for sereval hundred years under the same name.........

Exactly where in the timeline to "drawn a line in the sand" - I can't tell.

	26-03-2003 17:46									#52
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quote: Originally posted by OliverFA And by the way, the Perejil Island is ours.

That's why I said "retake". Leila island, Ceuta and Melilla are still Spanish, just like Gibraltar is British.

Concerning the sub, a quick web search didn't bring any evidence indeed, so I'm inclined to believe that I didn't remember it correct. Anyway, it was an incident ways too small to be bothered.

Still, the Spanish used overwhelming force. BBC writes of no less than five warships to expel a couple of soldiers, while an African site provides some photos of the Spanish hardware and soldiers, among them this hottie.

	26-03-2003 19:35									#53
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Now that's an occupying force I could live with
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Old europe, new europe...it's europe !!!!

	26-03-2003 19:58									#54
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Oh, I women in uniform!

	26-03-2003 20:33									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Monk Now, it's easy to imagine "New Europe" as the Eastern European nations in support of the campaign, but did Rumsfeld or whoever invented the term ever bother to define the golden oldies? France, Germany, those are no-brainers, but are Russia and Sweden "Old Europe" too? Aznar in Spain is a huge Bush fan and the Danish government has even dispatched some troops (that you'll never hear about). Does this make these countries New Europe or rather not-so-new-but-not-that-Old Europe-either? I don't really like the war but there are American exports at stake here.

In his novel "Brave New World" Huxley refers to the European region as old and tired. Perhaps this is what Rumsfiled is referring to. Any day now you can expect the American "New World Order" to divide up the world into regions to be governed by appointed directors.
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	26-03-2003 20:42									#56
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Criminy, it's right there... don't understand why I can see it, but others can't... try this (with a few more updates):

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	26-03-2003 20:50									#57
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Is that the map they use in american schools when teaching young students where their european great-great-great............... grandpa or grandma came from ?

	27-03-2003 01:23									#58
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quote: Originally posted by OliverFA some photos of the Spanish hardware and soldiers, among them this hottie.

Thanks for the picture Sir Ralph That's very kind of you!