27-03-2003 02:34									#1
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I did some search in my internet cache about Hallibourton and found this.

http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/...erationoily.php
http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=6008
http://money.cnn.com/2003/03/06/new....reut/index.htm
http://iht.com/articles/90170.html
http://www.sundayherald.com/31967
http://www.zmag.org/content/showart...=40&ItemID=3254

It's pretty strange company, isn't it. From contracts on rebuilding Iraq to the theft of nuclear components. And the worst thing - **** Cheyney was CEO and chairman.

quote: "The contractors will also be asked to repair 15% of high-voltage electricity grid, renovate several thousand schools and deliver 550 emergency generators within two months. The contract is estimated to be worth up to $900 million for the preliminary work alone."

So, **** Cheyney was CEO and this would be paid from US taxes. Do it ring any bells? Corruption - anyone?

Where worked Condoleezza Rice, Bush, Rumsfeld and others? They worked in the oil industry as too isn't it.

Any other info about this company? I hope EU wont pay to this corporation.

	27-03-2003 03:03									#2
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DL !!

Yeah, funny coincidence that Cheney's former company is going to make a ton of money rebuilding Iraq. Oh but wait, this is a just war about freeing Iraq.

	27-03-2003 03:11									#3
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Raghar has been in the OT for some time, and has never posted flames that I know of. He would be a veeeery smart DL.

And it is obvious Cheney's former friends have had an influence on him and on the administration, to push for getting the contracts. The most efficient lobbying happens when you are friends with the powerful person you try to influence (sure corruption would have happened, but I don't think it is the krux of the problem here)

However, saying the Bushies started this war in order to bring money to Haliburton and Cheney would be plain absurd. I'm sure they didn't even thought of the enterprises which would rebuild Iraq from the beginning.

Haliburton is just taking a cut in the pie. It's not like it has cooked the pie.

	27-03-2003 03:16									#4
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Spiffor, are you aware that Cheney and Haliburton made millions rebuilding Iraq after the '98 bombing campaign? I'm not privy to enough information to make the conclusion that big-oil is controlling the Bush admin. But I just want to point out all the "coincidences" like this that exist. Kind of makes you think?

	27-03-2003 03:24									#5
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I already agree the Bush admin is corrupt. And I already think the Bushies were much more interested in their (political) interests rather than America's when it came to this war.
I criticize your administration harshly, in about any circumstance, so don't believe I'm a Bush apologist.

But in this case, I doubt obvious corruption and big money explains it all. I think the Bushies have been pushed to choose Haliburton because of Cheney's insistance, and because of a successful lobbying : for example, Haliburton has widely financed the Republican campaign last time, and will do next time for sure.

But it's not like them giving millions to the Bush family or the Powell family. At least, that's not the image I have on how the business is done in the US. It is possible I am naive.

	27-03-2003 03:37									#7
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Well, I think that Cheney probably has a substanital 401k or stock options from Haliburton.

	27-03-2003 03:37									#8
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Dont forget that small matter of keeping the Cheney energy task force transactions away from public scrutiny.

What the plebs don't need to know won't hurt 'em.

	27-03-2003 03:40									#9
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Halliburton is a fine company that started in the oil services business. My dad called them up to drill some of his wildcat oil wells, for instance. Call them up and 5 days later you have a well to 3,500 feet. They were always no-muss and got the job done on time and budget, which is quite rare in the oil business.

In a lot of these oil-rich countries, the oil industry involves a lot of infrastructure projects rather than just drilling a well. So Halliburton became more of a construction/infrastructure company than anything else.

This is just prelude to say that Halliburton is the shop you need to go to for something like this, no matter who are their political patrons.

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	27-03-2003 03:47									#10
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quote: Halliburton is a fine company

Haven't you bashed Russia and France for doing business with Saddam?

	27-03-2003 04:02									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Haven't you bashed Russia and France for doing business with Saddam?

he bashed them for doing business with Saddam and using the UN to protect their interests there at the cost of international security (slightly different)

	27-03-2003 04:02									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Haliburton has widely financed the Republican campaign last time, and will do next time for sure.

How much was it?


So my guesses was largely on target.
Well I might use some helpfull links.

	27-03-2003 04:09									#13
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well Sava I told ya DiaL up.



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	27-03-2003 05:12									#14
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What disturbs me about these contracts is that they are being let in private closed bids. We are told that this is for expediency's sake. Certainly Haliburton is a capable company to get the job done and they certainly should have been invited to bid. My problem is more with the process than the companies involved.

	27-03-2003 05:22									#15
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX he bashed them for doing business with Saddam and using the UN to protect their interests there at the cost of international security (slightly different)

As opposed to the Vice-President protecting their interests at the cost of the Iraqi people.

	27-03-2003 05:24									#16
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX he bashed them for doing business with Saddam and using the UN to protect their interests there at the cost of international security (slightly different)

I'm sure someone can bash Halliburton for doing business with Iraq using Bush to provide them with the strong interests at the cost of international diplomacy.

	27-03-2003 06:46									#17
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Spiffor

Totally correct. It isn't like it is a secret that people tend to give contracts to those people they know. Of course in this case (which people are ignoring) Hallburton won it in a government bidding process (ie, they said they'd do the job for the least amount of money), even though it was private, they still ended up winning out because of their bids.

	27-03-2003 08:02									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Spiffor, are you aware that Cheney and Haliburton made millions rebuilding Iraq after the '98 bombing campaign? I'm not privy to enough information to make the conclusion that big-oil is controlling the Bush admin. But I just want to point out all the "coincidences" like this that exist. Kind of makes you think?

This is almost certainly not coincidental, albeit not in the way that you might think.
Cheney hardly had the same clout in '98 when the Clinton administration was in power, so if Haliburton won the contract then, with Cheney as a Director, and did a good job, its hardly surprising they're called in again. They know the lie of the land so to speak. Its certainly not in any way indicative of oil money running the Bush admin.

	27-03-2003 08:34									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Spiffor Totally correct. It isn't like it is a secret that people tend to give contracts to those people they know. Of course in this case (which people are ignoring) Hallburton won it in a government bidding process (ie, they said they'd do the job for the least amount of money), even though it was private, they still ended up winning out because of their bids.

Unusual "bidding process". See this:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003...8653777684.html

	27-03-2003 10:18									#20
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Yeah, I know it was unusual (hence the 'private' I spoke of). It still won in the process.

	27-03-2003 11:18									#21
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Regardless, any companies with ties to the current administration should be forbidden to enter into the tender. As it stands, a company that is closely linked to the Bushies will be able to make big money after lots of blood has been spilled in an invasion initiated by the US.

Hello PR fiasco, how are you?

	27-03-2003 13:20									#22
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War on Iraq is not happening due to such bargaining, but it surely doesn't heart that Bush's friends personally profit from it either. And the way in which personal contacts are the key for governmental business is shameless. It's not a new phenomenon, but there has rarely been such a shameless and open protectionism.

Such actions surely help the US in making friends outside and to strengthen the world's belief in the honest motives of the US government! <-- the is no sarcasm!

	27-03-2003 22:52									#23
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Regardless, any companies with ties to the current administration should be forbidden to enter into the tender.

Who's left to do the job?

	27-03-2003 22:56									#24
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Nah, I don't think big oil is controlling every aspect of the Bush admin... I just pointed out the "coincidence"

	28-03-2003 10:42									#25
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Regardless, any companies with ties to the current administration should be forbidden to enter into the tender. Who's left to do the job?

Let the Iraqis decide, then.

	28-03-2003 11:44									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Let the Iraqis decide, then.

That would be the democratic way to do things. It would also help to reduce the diplomatic and PR disaster that this war is turning into.

	28-03-2003 17:25									#27
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Another thing I heard on the news today. Some US dude, a senator IIRC, was saying that the US has the rights to make Iraq to sell oil for reconstruction.

He should have kept his mouth shut.

	29-03-2003 08:46									#28
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Well over a week ago, when AH was seeking a better name for this war then "Operation Iraqi Freedom" I suggested Operation Haliburton. - no-one commented.

And what exactly gives the US/Coalition right to tender contracts in Iraq anyway ?