27-03-2003 23:13									#1
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To be edited by the Consuls and Ministers.

Status:
- Researching Warrior Code at 90%, ready in 9 turns.
- Luxury Slider at 10%
- 37 gold cash, -2 gpt.

Urgent questions:

Military:
Bigfree the Warrior suggest 1.
Alva the Warrior suggest 2.
W4 fortified in Apolyton.
W5 suggest 1 4.

Economy:
Apolyton finished Warrior 5. Begin settler.
Worker finished road, build mine.
Apolyton labourers from Coast to roaded Bonus Grassland.

Diplomacy:
CDG: NAP in effect. Negotiating future tech swap.
GCA: NAP in effect. Negotiating future tech swap.

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Discussion and basic reporting to follow. See the topped thread for comprehensive results.

Last edited by Togas on 29-03-2003 at 04:01

	27-03-2003 23:33									#2
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Everything looks good.

	27-03-2003 23:40									#3
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Someone check my numbers:

If W5 goes to the tile where the goody hut is (assuming it's still there), we'll be able to get back to garrison our 1st city the exact turn that it's built.

	27-03-2003 23:46									#4
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I would strongly urge that the warrior by Persia (Bigfree?)move west (4) twice, rather than south or southwest. We'll reveal more terrain that way and more importantly, we'll reveal terrain near/in Persian territory without coming close enough to upset them. Remember- we need to clear that black area if we can to know about their iron potential, and that mountain two west (4) of Bigfree is a PERFECT place to do it. It would also cause our warrior to disappear off Persia's radar, and force India's warrior to follow us if they want to keep track of our whereabouts. After we get a look to the west (and to the south in that direction, we can cut across with 3-2-2 and reveal terrain over there. I really think we should utilize that mountain to peer into Persia, and then head south. It's a small detour for strong recon - with the big added benefit of forcing them to expend effort to track us - and we might even be able to snoop a bit more this way.

Bear in mind Persia is likely to want to expand west/sw, since India is s/se of them- let's concern ourselves with where Persia might be going first!

	27-03-2003 23:53									#5
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4 is a strong possibility as well.

I was thinking that we may risk getting bottled up though.

	27-03-2003 23:54									#6
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F-P, keep in mind that there's coast only 2 tiles west of W2 'BigFree', which means there ain't much land over there. 1-4 (SW-W) is the best course for us to take as long as CDG isn't tracking us (so they won't know we're not going straight south).

	27-03-2003 23:59									#7
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I say go straight south after we go 1. They know where we are going anyways, no need to delay.

	28-03-2003 00:09									#8
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If we move 4 then we should be able to see a fair way down the coast and get a slightly better idea of the shape of our continent (47 is coast as far is I can see ?). As it seems unlikely we will be coming this way in the near future we should check out that coastline now.

	28-03-2003 00:09									#9
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I also like the move of 4. If we followed up with a 1-2, we han use the first hill North to get a better peak at the coast up North and a little look at CDG's sprawl. Then moving to the mountain might give us a peak accross the water. I would then suggest we 'rest' WBigFree, in order to regain his health in case GCA feels later on that they don't want us down there; it gives us a beter shot of completing our mission of finding contact with CFC.

	28-03-2003 00:18									#10
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Good call bigfree. Another plus to moving 4 is that we stay away from GCA terrotory while we are trying to get them to sign a NAP.

	28-03-2003 00:19									#11
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We are far too slow in making our way south already.

	28-03-2003 00:34									#12
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Aeson is right. We need to get south and contact with CFC as soon as we can. There's not all that much land to see anyways, even if we did take a detour west.

	28-03-2003 00:41									#13
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It would be nice if we could slip into GCA fog though and make their blocking of us a bit harder. Also how do we know that CFC is due south (I admit it is the most likely direction) they could be south west or did I miss something in IRC.

	28-03-2003 00:56									#14
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Its mostly a hunch based on the demands that CDC and GCA attempted to make of us not to go south. I dont think we have any concrete information on the exact direction CFC lies.

	28-03-2003 02:13									#15
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CFC could lie West (most likely); but the route to them is due South right now. I'm hopeful that there's more than one route to CFC and that they are indeed West of both GCA and CDG(across the water), and that the continent is conected in both the South and North directions to allow contact with CFC. We should be sending out a scout in the next 10 turns or so to scout due West of us. The early demise of WBetaHound has really hampered our scouting abilities. We should think of a replacement for him soon; WBetaHoundJr.

	28-03-2003 18:33									#16
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If we don't get our NAP signed with GCA before our turn would we be breaking any agreements by moving 2?

	28-03-2003 18:42									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Aeson If we don't get our NAP signed with GCA before our turn would we be breaking any agreements by moving 2?

Not really... but we would probably have troubles getting it signed then...

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	28-03-2003 18:55									#18
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Aren't we already having troubles getting it signed?

Personally I don't like the agreement because it completely favors them. They don't have a unit anywhere near us at this point, and would have to cross CDG territory to get one to us. If they insist on their clause, it isn't an NAP anyways..

	28-03-2003 19:04									#19
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I see we already moved 4... ack. We just gave GCA the ability to seriously delay our southern movement.

	28-03-2003 19:33									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Aeson I see we already moved 4... ack. We just gave GCA the ability to seriously delay our southern movement.

Well... this was not an easy call... we actually had only two choices, as 1 was blocked by the GCA warrior: 4 was a detour to the West, 2 would bring us too close to GCA's borders... in order to not provoke GCA, we moved 4 onto the hill. We will sure be able to go S, SW, or SE on the next turn without getting too close to GCA, as their warrior will not be able to block all three southern directions...

	28-03-2003 20:07									#21
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I understand why. I just don't agree. They are trying to hinder our movement (probably in affiliation with CDG). Technically they aren't breaking the NAP, and neither would we by moving 2, as it hasn't been signed.

I don't see why we should respect an unsigned treaty that they aren't respecting. Especially as the treaty favors them.

	28-03-2003 20:23									#22
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We should add a no-scout-blocking clause to our NAP.

	28-03-2003 20:46									#23
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feh... remember when we were excited about meeting GCA because we were looking forward to some "reasonable" neighbors...

	28-03-2003 23:02									#24
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Maybe they haven't scouted this direction yet.

	28-03-2003 23:09									#25
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quote: Originally posted by ZargonX feh... remember when we were excited about meeting GCA because we were looking forward to some "reasonable" neighbors...

All in good time.

All we need to do is wait for CDG and GCA to drift apart naturally. (or maybe give them a nudge...)

	28-03-2003 23:12									#26
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How do we nudge them? If they become friends in their opposition (peaceful as it may be) to us, how are we to make them dislike each other? I'm just a curious economist here, nothing more...


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	28-03-2003 23:16									#27
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Start giving slight hints of betrayal on one team or the other (e.g. tell GCA: "CDG said that we could scout wherever we want as long as it wasn't in their land.").

With enough distrust between the two of them, we can bring them both closer to us and farther from each other. We just have to do it very subtly... it's very easy to pick up on sloppy baiting.

	29-03-2003 03:49									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Trip We should add a no-scout-blocking clause to our NAP.

It was included in the first one, but GCA didn't like it 'as is' and made some changes. We made changes, sent it back and now things are settled. We have a NAP with GCA that prohibits the blocking of our unit.

quote: Nor shall our units interfere with the travel and movement of each other outside of these borders.

I think we are in good shape for now.