28-03-2003 10:48									#1
	Pre-Poll Discussion: Civ Choice Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Discuss what civ we want here:

	28-03-2003 11:03									#2
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Vikings (Scandinavians).

	28-03-2003 13:21									#3
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I wouldn't mind trying one of the new ones.

	28-03-2003 13:34									#4
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regardless of which one we pick, it should be Industrious. That will be a great help to our DM's and Govenrors, especially if we do wind up playing on a Huge world.

	28-03-2003 15:00									#5
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Expansionist would very feasable too if we pick a huge world. It could be fun too, I for one, never played much with the expansionistic civs, so that would be a new experience.
Maybe we could even play England
Never knew I would ever say that

	28-03-2003 16:01									#6
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GeneralTacticus wrote:
regardless of which one we pick, it should be Industrious.
Tarquinius wrote:
Expansionist would very feasable too if we pick a huge world. It could be fun too, I for one, never played much with the expansionistic civs, so that would be a new experience.

Clearly, we should play the Americans. The fact that America is my favortie civ has absolutely no relevance to this assertion.

	28-03-2003 16:41									#7
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I also think that we should pick an Industrious Civ - I find it hard to play as anything else in SP because I can't stand those slow workers.

The Americans are a great Civ, but their lack of a UU makes them a bit less interesting. I'd rather we went for a Civ with an Ancient or Medieval UU.

I also think we shouldn't be Carthage, since we're them in the ISDG. I know the membership isn't the same, but still.

Not Egypt again either - for obvious reasons.

At this early stage I would suggest we play as the Chinese. The Ottomans might be good too.

There's plenty of discussion still to be done, though.

	28-03-2003 19:55									#8
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I want an island hopping game - lots of water and lots of small land masses - therefore I want the vikings.

	28-03-2003 20:06									#9
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I agree, the civ choice depends on the kind of map.
I like the industrial trait too, but maybe we should try something different...

	28-03-2003 20:13									#10
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If we are Americans, we may not get to the UU or it would be irrelevant.

The Ottoman UU (Sipahi) comes at the right time and is very powerful (+1 attack compared to calvary) and it cost the same as calvary. We can covert our knights to Sipahi. I think this would be the best UU. The Ottomans are Scientific and Industrous, which is good.

Carthage is very good, also. Their UU (Num. Merc.) cost 10g more than Spearman, but they are basicly early Pikeman. We would not have to worry about upgrading until Musketmen.

I would vote for either of these, but the Ottomans are my first choice.

	28-03-2003 20:17									#11
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quote: Originally posted by GodKing I want an island hopping game - lots of water and lots of small land masses - therefore I want the vikings.

This idea appeals to me too.

	28-03-2003 20:42									#12
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Personally, I would think NOT being industrious would be more interesting. It makes the Worker movements more strategic in nature BECAUSE they are slower.

Vikings are interesting, I also wouldn't mind Korea because the lack of ability to gain a GA through UU would add another strategic element to the game as well.

	28-03-2003 21:11									#13
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Any civ, provided it is commercial; unless we want a really challenging game : neither industrial nor commercial.

	28-03-2003 21:36									#14
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Good grief. Industrious? American? Carthage? C'mon people - our combined expertise would make any such game laughable. Let's go for a real challenge, like the Koreans or some such.

	29-03-2003 00:46									#15
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Ideally, a civ that's either Military + Expansion, Scientific + Expansion, or Military + Scientific.

This would maximize differences between both the first DG & the MP one.

	29-03-2003 01:15									#16
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Look under a Mountain of shields. There you will find Otto. Who just happens to be Militaristic and Scientific

	29-03-2003 02:11									#17
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You want a challenge, let's adopt the barbarians. Now that's a tribe that needs help.

I was playing last night when a barbarian warrior attached my mechanized infantry....very funny stuff!

	29-03-2003 04:45									#18
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Germany, Greece, Korea, India, and Babylon are my top five.

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quote: Originally posted by dejon Good grief. Industrious? American? Carthage? C'mon people - our combined expertise would make any such game laughable. Let's go for a real challenge, like the Koreans or some such.

Yes! Exactly. Let's pick a weaker civ. No industrial trait allowed. C'mon guys, at least handicap ourselves to some extent. And something with character.

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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep Germany, Greece, Korea, India, and Babylon are my top five.

Greece and India work for me. Babylon as well. And Rome would be interesting.

	29-03-2003 18:23									#22
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If we want a good civ then I would choose the Ottomans, for a weaker civ I would choose the Celts and for a challenge I would choose England.

	29-03-2003 20:13									#23
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quote: Originally posted by BetaHound Greece and India work for me. Babylon as well. And Rome would be interesting.

I'm not really big on India.

	29-03-2003 20:46									#24
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China would be a great choice.

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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx Vikings are interesting, I also wouldn't mind Korea because the lack of ability to gain a GA through UU would add another strategic element to the game as well.

another power reserved for the DIA

	29-03-2003 22:57									#26
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i'd like to use the Vikings, especially on an island map.

mil / exp is decent, not too powerful. the unit, however...

	30-03-2003 01:14									#27
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vikings

like in that monty python skit, SPAM SPAM SPAM

	30-03-2003 01:47									#28
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{Roleplay}
What? We haven't even started yet and you already assume there will be enough members that refuse to use their intelligence that we will have another Left Wing Liberal Party that votes with the Warmongers?
{/Roleplay}

I wouldn't mind playing Germany either just so I could use the words "ACHTUNG!" and "WIENERSNITZEL" everyday.

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quote: {Roleplay} What? We haven't even started yet and you already assume there will be enough members that refuse to use their intelligence that we will have another Left Wing Liberal Party that votes with the Warmongers? {/Roleplay}

ROFL!

that is pretty much what happened last game

	30-03-2003 06:25									#30
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Germany!
OR Japan,
or teh Vikings.
Kill and kill, I say, this is funny, so this is good.
Though as soon as we get to become 20th century we must become civilized liberal left-winger social-democrats.