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L'Boro, UK
Oct 2001
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Sort of working from news reports I'd wager somewhere in the thousands if not already past ten thousand.
You don't really know what's happened with the airstrikes on military targets.
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L'Boro, UK
Oct 2001
time: 05:27
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It depends what you call military losses - do Baath party officials, local militia count as well.
One battle last week (near Nasiryah IRRC) was supposed to have killed 500 Iraqi troops. That building that they couldn't get in Umn Qassr contained 120 troops. The 14 T55s that the UK Challenger2 tank destroyed would have contained going on 60 troops. The column destroyed by the Marine Corps yesterday contained 30 something vehicles, so a conservative estimate would be another 100. Military positions in northern Iraq have been pounded day after day.
The only casualties we here off are the ones that are reported by the embedded reporters, we don't know how many have died in the Baghdad bombing raids, in the Basra shelling etc etc.
10000 is the highest number though, it is more likely to be around 5000 or so.
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The US won't comment on actual Iraqi military losses in terms of people... just equipment. They don't want to appear to be killing anyone... even soldiers.
Thats why we haven't seen piccies of the charred corpses of the Iraq convoy that tried to leave Basrah.
Its interesting to note that according to Iraq, that US vehicular losses count twice, cos there are two directions you can film them from.
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I just heard a BBC radio report that the group that tried to flee Basra this morning largely consisted of young men, presumably getting out before being forced to fight.
Iraqi troop losses probably run into a few thousand by now - the key issue will be how long the more fanatical regular/irregular forces will stand up to constant attrition and how fast the rest of the population flee areas controlled by Saddam's supporters.
This isn't Vietnam and Saddam isn't Giap - the Baath party apparatus rules by fear, not popular loyalty and may start to run out of people it can force into combat.
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SlowwHand
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of The Cooler
Sep 1999
time: 23:27
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We're talking about the same Iraqi soldiers that pose as civilians?
Right. My heart pumps purple panther piss for them.
I'll put this here. Good a spot as any.
BY DENNIS MILLER
ALL THE RHETORIC ON WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD GO TO WAR AGAINST IRAQ HAS GOT MY INSANE LITTLE BRAIN SPINNING LIKE A ROULETTE WHEEL. I ENJOY READING OPINIONS FROM BOTH SIDES BUT I HAVE DETECTED A HINT OF CONFUSION FROM SOME OF YOU.
AS I WAS READING THE PAPER RECENTLY, I WAS REMINDED OF THE BEST ADVICE SOMEONE EVER GAVE ME. HE TOLD ME ABOUT THE KISS METHOD ("KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID!) SO, WITH THIS AS A THEME, I'D LIKE TO APPLY THIS THEORY FOR THOSE WHO DON'T QUITE GET IT. MY HOPE IS THAT WE CAN SIMPLIFY THINGS A BIT AND RECOGNIZE A FEW IMPORTANT FACTS.
HERE ARE 10 THINGS TO CONSIDER WHEN VOICING AN OPINION ON THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE:
1) OF PRESIDENT BUSH AND SADDAM HUSSEIN ... HUSSEIN IS THE BAD GUY.
2) IF YOU HAVE FAITH IN THE UNITED NATIONS TO DO THE RIGHT THING KEEP THIS IN MIND, THEY HAVE LIBYA HEADING THE COMMITTEE ON HUMAN RIGHTS AND IRAQ HEADING THE GLOBAL DISARMAMENT COMMITTEE. DO YOUR OWN MATH HERE.
3) IF YOU USE GOOGLE SEARCH AND TYPE IN "FRENCH MILITARY VICTORIES," YOUR REPLY WILL BE "DID YOU MEAN FRENCH MILITARY DEFEATS?"
4) IF YOUR ONLY ANTI-WAR SLOGAN IS "NO WAR FOR OIL," SUE YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR ALLOWING YOU TO SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS AND ROBBING YOU OF THE EDUCATION YOU DESERVE.
5) SADDAM AND BIN LADEN WILL NOT SEEK UNITED NATIONS APPROVAL BEFORE THEY TRY TO KILL US.
6) DESPITE COMMON BELIEF, MARTIN SHEEN IS NOT THE PRESIDENT. HE PLAYS ONE ON T.V.
7) EVEN IF YOU ARE ANTI-WAR, YOU ARE STILL AN "INFIDEL!" AND BIN LADEN
WANTS YOU DEAD, TOO
8) IF YOU BELIEVE IN A "VAST RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY" BUT NOT IN THE
DANGER THAT HUSSEIN POSES, QUIT HANGING OUT WITH THE DELL COMPUTER DUDE
9) I don't agree, so edited. Too bad. 
10) WHETHER YOU ARE FOR MILITARY ACTION OR AGAINST IT, OUR YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN OVERSEAS ARE FIGHTING FOR US TO DEFEND OUR RIGHT TO SPEAK OUT. WE ALL NEED TO SUPPORT THEM WITHOUT RESERVATION.
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:27
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quote:
Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Ming, they are winning if they are keeping the coalition from Baghdad. The coalition didn't make much progress the last few days. Somebody severely underestimated number of troops needed, as 120,000 are being called from the US. |
Actually, the progress we're making is excellent, just not the flash and dash unrealistic horseshit touted by Little Red Rummy-hood and the big bad Wolfowitz.
The 120,000 troops bit is either disinformation or sloppy reporting - many of those troops have been subject to deployment orders for weeks, or were already listed in the deployed forces. The most blatant example is 4 ID, which has had it's heavy equipment in ships waiting to enter Turkey since January. The "troops" moving is only after the heavy equipment is ready to offload, since we have more than enough airlift to spare them weeks about troopships.
As far as making progress the last few days, we have a major ground column of 101 ABD on the move in western Iraq, the 1 ID airlifting a brigade to put pressure on Mosul and Kirkuk (and to tie down an IRG division in the area).
We also have photos of major supply convoys moving past ad Diwaniyah, east of the Euphrates and astride the Shatt al Hillah waterway. That is giving us massive supply directly across from the Karbala - al Hillah line that is the key part of forward defenses of Baghdad. IRG Medina is sitting there taking a pounding from the air, and when we do push through there, we'll melt 'em in isolated groups in a few minutes of heavy contact, just like we did to Medina last time. We're pinning and killing those forward defenders in place, rather than pushing them back into Baghdad. If they try to break and run back, we'll have another highway of death.  The forward IRG defenders, three divisions worth, have lost their chance to retreat into Baghdad.
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Not true. There's at least one battle where the coalition claimed they have killed hundreds of Iraqi soldiers. |
Yeah, when they attacked on foot against a moving mechanized column - there weren't any vehicle kills or anything similar to report.
Realistic military and military-related (fedayin, SRG, Baath party, technicians) casualties now are probably in the 5,000 KIA, 10-20,000 WIA level, due mostly to air bombardment.
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Pedrunn
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of Natal, Brazil
Jul 2001
time: 02:27
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Away from the topic but
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Originally posted by SlowwHand
1) OF PRESIDENT BUSH AND SADDAM HUSSEIN ... HUSSEIN IS THE BAD GUY. |
Can anyone be more UScentric!?! For more than 20 years (1964-85) my country was controlled by military dictatorship that overuled all the constitution, stated a censorship, tortured opposers (killing may of them), spent a huge budget in its own porpuse.
But what if the US invaded our country, deposed the General in charge of the presidency and replaced the military dictatorship with a US-friendly/like government?
Try to convince me that the USwere going to be the good guys and had the right to do that! And i will just call you a @%$#!!!
Now try the same situation in case of the US being a dictatorship. Would you want your country to be invaded, bombed and have its gov replaced with the invaders control.
Sorry buddy but maniqueism is just stupid. There is no good and evil.It all depends on who is watching.
Last edited by Pedrunn on 29-03-2003 at 10:06
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