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Aidun is offline Aidun
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yersterday evening Oliver and I have been chatting with Nimitz, Kloreep and Vondrack of Legoland. I wanted them to oppose GoW. To achieve this Oliver and I told them that we have the indication that GoW and Vox are forming an allaince to get control of the islands in the world. I told them that GS and Lego were the most likely victims. Lego was stunned and feared that soobner or later GoW would try to conquer them. The occupation of the island they recently discovered to the north of their main isle, Legos, was a first step. Please keep up this little overextended illusion.
They asked if we would support them in a war with GoW. The result is that we are going to have a mutual protection pact with Legoland.
THE TWO STRONGEST NATIONS IN THE WORLD HAVE ALLIED.
I want to inform you too that the current deal has Royal approval, but the Despot and I wanted to inform you by this way. Please post any comments on this proposal, it's still open for discussion.

The outcome of the negotiations.
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El tratado de defensa Hispano - Legolandico / Legoland - Spain Mutual Protection Treaty

Article I
Defenition of the territory

The territory of Spain is defined as all land inside Spain's cultural borders and all lands south of Spain's northermost city.

The territory of Legoland is defined as all land on Legos Island.



Article II
Redefinition of the territory

Either party may propose to redefine their national territory and the change shall be effective upon the agreement of the other party.

The definition of the territory of both parties may be changed if:
  1. New territories will be found, under the condition that these new territories are fully explored and unsettled by any other nation;
  2. New settlements, that are outside of the land defined in Article I, are founded;
  3. New territory, that is outside of the land defined in Article I, is accuired in any way;
  4. Territory, that is part of the land defined in Article I, is lost in any way.


Article III
Causes that activate the alliance

  1. If another nation settles on the land that is defined in Article I, while the party that claims this land has informed an official of the settling nation, that they claim those lands, the other party is supposed to declare war on the settling nation, if the party that claims these land requests this, unless the alliance can persuade the settling nation from either evacuating or handing the settlement over to the alliance member whose territory is occupied, or retreat in any other way.

  2. If any violation of the territorial integrity of the territory of either party, as defined in Article I, is being conducted, the other party is supposed to declare war on the atacking nation, if the attacked party requests this.



Article IV
Non-settlement ageement

Neither party shall settle in the territoriy that the other party has claimed to be his as stated in Article I.



Article V
Duration of the Treaty

The Treaty shall have a lenth of 30 turns. It shall be effective from 900 BC (turn nr. 84) and expire in 270 BC(on turn nr. 114).

The Treaty can after this period be extended for an amount of turns that is about to be defined by the parties.

The Treaty can only be extended upon the agreement of the both parties.



Article VI
Lapse of the Treaty

This Treaty will immediately lapse if one of the parties does not adhere to the terms in this Treaty.



Article VII
Alterations on the Treaty

Any statement in the Treaty can be altered, save for the Duration of the Treaty, as stated in Article V, the way of aid that the parties have agreed to provide in case the alliance is being activated, as stated in Article III and the lapse of the Treaty as stated in Article VI, upon the agreement of the both parties.




I hereby assent with this Treaty and the terms in it.


Augusto Togas, High King of Spain.






Vondrack, President of Legoland.








Aidun Cian the older,

Lord Togas's interim diplomat to Legoland.

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Please discuss on which turn the treaty should start.

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It should start on the turn we sign it.

My thoughts: Yes, Legoland is an end-game competator of ours and one that we will have to fight or sabatage at some point down the road. HOWEVER, my primary concern is keeping us safe through the beginning of the middle ages and up to the period where we can build our famous Conquistadors. This treaty will help make that possible.

My plans for Spain in the next 20-30 turns are for rapid expansion and continued military buildup. We have absolutely no plans to invade Legoland any time soon.

--Togas

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I agree with My King (being one with enough brains to realize that it is always best to back the crown).

I have no problem at all with maintaining friendly relations with the Carthaginians. After all, we are blood brothers. I believe that the treaty should go into effect as soon as signed.

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I don’t know... I wonder if that squid in last night’s party was cooked all right, or if we didn’t have too much wine. Who are the Legos? Do they even exist? I look all over the map and I can’t find them at all.

I would have been happer to hear that we have made a protection pact with the Men Who Have Babies. At least we know they exist. Our histories say they were married to the Amazon Women.

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*cough! gag! splutter!*

I do not know any Amazon women!! I don't know where you might have gotten that idea!!

Ummm...ahhhh...

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Weren’t the Amazon Women on the side of the ancient barbarian kings who fought against us when Madrid was founded?

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Were they? As collector of history from antiquity, I can say that the only time Spain had anything to do with Amazons was when we conquered a tribe of them back in the days of Ghernicus.

But since...there have been sightings. For example, Senora Yappala swears she saw one going into my house last...eerrr...you didn't hear that.

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About the treaty with Legoland...

Aidun Cian the older

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Quite right, old chap. You see...with this blasted anarchy going on...conversations easily get out of control.

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The non-settlement agreement has no consequences; it should end the treaty, otherwise, we could be obliged to declare war on a civ settling in Legoland, when at the same time Lego is settling on our part of the continent.

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Good point Davout, I will include a consequence like if one of the parties does not adhere to the terms in this treaty, the treaty will immediately lapse (if that is gramatically right. English speakers?)

Aidun Cian the older,

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This treaty is very good news.

It is true that Lego is our major competitor in the long term, but for this to become true we must reach to end game first. They are natural allies, at least until the end of the Third Age.

And just an small correction. Is Hispano-Legolandico

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Interim Diplomat to Legoland? Are the positions switching around now that we have Monarchy, or was I just given the boot?

Anyway, its a good treaty.

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The treaty has been sent last night at about 3:10 (GMT+1 summertime). Legoland is now debating about it. The treaty will be active from turn 84 until turn 114.

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Very good treaty

I suggest that our diplomats work on the best way to get the World Map of Lego (under Togas leadership). This information would be very useful to organize the best defense plans.

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I'd agree there, Senor Astrologix, as always.

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From a PM from Nimitz on the 4th of April.

Alliance Teaty (Draft)

El tratado de defensa Hispano - Legolandico / Legoland - Spain Mutual Protection Treaty

Article I
Defenition of the territory

The territory of Spain is defined as all land inside Spain's cultural borders and all lands on the continent named Bob south of the Spanish city of Saragossa (as of Turn 84).

The territory of Legoland is defined as all land on Legos Major & Legos Minor, that is all land reachable by foot units using no vessels from Legopolis, the capital city of Legoland (as of Turn 84).




Article II
Redefinition of the territory

Either party may propose to redefine their national territory and the change shall be effective upon the agreement of the other party.

The definition of the territory of both parties may be changed if:

New territories will be found, under the condition that these new territories are fully explored and unsettled by any other nation;

New settlements, that are outside of the land defined in Article I, are founded;

New territory, that is outside of the land defined in Article I, is accuired in any way;

Territory, that is part of the land defined in Article I, is lost in any way.


Article III
Causes that activate the alliance


If another nation settles on the land that is defined in Article I, while the party that claims this land has informed an official of the settling nation, that they claim those lands, both the offended party and the other party in the treaty will declare war on the settling nation, if the party that claims these land requests this, unless the alliance can persuade the settling nation from either evacuating or handing the settlement over to the alliance member whose territory is occupied, or retreat in any other way.


If any violation of the territorial integrity of the territory of either party, as defined in Article I, is being conducted, both parties will declare war on the atacking nation, if the attacked party requests this.



Article IV
Non-settlement & Non-agression ageement

Neither party shall settle in the territoriy that the other party has claimed to be his as stated in Article I. Also neither party shall declae war on the other.



Article V
Duration of the Treaty

The Treaty shall have a lenth of 20 turns. It shall be effective from 900 BC (turn nr. 84) and expire in 270 BC(on turn nr. 114).

The Treaty can after this period be extended for an amount of turns that is about to be defined by the parties.

The Treaty can only be extended upon the agreement of the both parties.



Article VI
Lapse of the Treaty

This Treaty will immediately lapse if one of the parties does not adhere to the terms in this Treaty.



Article VII
Alterations on the Treaty

Any statement in the Treaty can be altered, save for the Duration of the Treaty, as stated in Article V, the way of aid that the parties have agreed to provide in case the alliance is being activated, as stated in Article III and the lapse of the Treaty as stated in Article VI, upon the agreement of the both parties.



Article VIII
Settlement of any war

Since both parties will declare war at the exact same time on any invading party, both parties will commit themselves to end the war at the same time. No separate peace treaties shall be made.

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This is not aproved yet we will wait to see if you make any changes then will vote on it. The changed stuff is bolded.


I propose that we ask if Legoland want s to increase the duration of the treaty and that we request that the treaty activates at a new turn and not 84 which has passed by already.

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Article VI needs to be rewritten. Suggestions? Instead of just having it lapse, we need to be clear that if a party does not follow through with the treaty, there will be consequences.

Let's kill Article VII. I don't want to add confusion about what can and can't be altered. We can, in fact, alter anything if both parties agree.

--Togas

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This is a great thing. A MPP with a Civ that is not on our Continent. I have been trying to find out where Legoland is, alas it is escaping me?!

This may be the first trans-oceanic Treaty in existance!

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OK, we've sat on this long enough. Let's chat with Legoland TODAY and get this thing finalized. The last key element to be negotiated is a WM or TM trade. The other changes I proposed are cosmetic and won't be an issue. Start date will be the year we sign it.

Catch me in chat if you have questions.

--Togas

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The final proposal for the treaty has been sent to Nimitz, yesterday at about 23:30 GMT.

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The following is a draft treaty:
This treaty is an altered version of Aidun's old treaty.

El tratado de defensa Hispano - Legolandico / Legoland - Spain Mutual Protection Treaty

Article I
Definition of the territory

The territory of Spain is defined as all land inside Spain's cultural borders and all lands on the continent named Bob south of the Spanish city of Toledo.

The territory of Legoland is defined as all land on Legos Major.

Article II
Redefinition of the territory

Either party may propose to redefine their national territory and the change shall be effective upon the agreement of the other party.

The definition of the territory of both parties may be changed if:

New territories will be found, under the condition that these new territories are fully explored and unsettled by any other nation;

New settlements, that are outside of the land defined in Article I, are founded;

New territory, that is outside of the land defined in Article I, is accuired in any way;

Territory, that is part of the land defined in Article I, is lost in any way.


Article III
Causes that activate the alliance

If another nation settles on the land that is defined in Article I, while the party that claims this land has informed an official of the settling nation, that they claim those lands, both the offended party and the other party in the treaty will declare war on the settling nation, if the party that claims these land requests this, unless the alliance can persuade the settling nation from either evacuating or handing the settlement over to the alliance member whose territory is occupied, or retreat in any other way.

If any violation of the territorial integrity of the territory of either party, as defined in Article I, is being conducted, both parties will declare war on the atacking nation, if the attacked party requests this.


Article IV
Non-settlement & Non-agression ageement

Neither party shall settle in the territoriy that the other party has claimed to be his as stated in Article I. Neither party shall enter the claimed territory of the other party without prior approval. Also neither party shall declare war on the other.


Article V
Duration of the Treaty

The Treaty shall have a lenth of 30 turns. It shall be effective from 70 BC (turn nr. 124) and expire in (Please fill this in)

The Treaty may be extended for any amount of turns upon the agreement of both parties.


Article VI
Settlement of any war

Since both parties will declare war at the exact same time on any invading party, both parties will commit themselves to end the war at the same time. No separate peace treaties shall be made.

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Aye, well, it looks good to me. Let's get the thing signed as soon as possible, preferably before the next turn, so that if those Arabs try anything, they in trouble, eh, what?

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Nice draft Togas, I'll send it to him.

Aidun

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Brilliant work

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Great job...

However, I think we should keep this TOP SECRET. If GoW+ND knew that we thought they were going to attack us, they'd go bonkers and both our plans could be royally screwed.

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I really like it. Legoland will go for the whole "we won't want people landing on Legos Major" I hope.

Let's try it and see what they say.

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Let's hope they respond immediately. Pray, my friends, for a favorable wind to carry Lord Cian over the oceans.

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