29-03-2003 22:09									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger You surely meant Battletech.

No, he means MechWarrior: Dark Age.

	29-03-2003 22:13									#32
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Okay. It's based on Battletech.

	29-03-2003 22:24									#33
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He says MW is too stressful (I'm not kidding), and claims he dosen't remember the rules for MK.

	29-03-2003 22:28									#34
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk and claims he dosen't remember the rules for MK.

Rules for MageKnight

	29-03-2003 22:40									#35
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Well at least it's not reminding me of the Falklands. I wonder if the Falklands will prove to be the last war won by the side that didn't hold clear air superiority.

	29-03-2003 22:42									#36
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I'm a regular lurker and occasional poster here:

http://www.mkrealms.com/

Anyway, he has the rules, he just dosen't want to bother with rememorizing the special abilities.

	29-03-2003 22:43									#37
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What does that have to do with clix games?

	29-03-2003 23:28									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger The thing is though, comparing the Federation with the US is a poor analogy.

You're absolutely right. The Federation is a bunch of touchy-feely group hug p***y diplomats which has every two-bit punk empire who comes along try to take a piece out of it. We won't make the same mistake.

	29-03-2003 23:41									#39
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Somewhat back on topic (and here I was afraid I'd be accused of not being topical! )

	30-03-2003 01:03									#41
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Let's see . . . US government lying, US government clueless, US government cracking down on civil liberties, US government opposed by the people they are supposedly liberating, US government saying it will be a short war . . . Just like the good old days.

True. But the terrain is somewhat different. This time, the US should have a chance.

	30-03-2003 01:11									#42
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There are significant differences.

In Vietnam, the U.S. was proping up a series of brutal dictatorships. All too often, the U.S. tropps also restorted to brutal methods. In comparison, Vietnam's libertor from the French, Ho Chi Minh, looked pretty good to the populous. Plus, because the war in the south was a guerilla war, there was no capital or other fixed asset to attack, and enemy forces melted away.

In Iraq, no one can make Saddam look good in comparison. Plus, when word gets around that coalition troops are bringing food & medicine and will lay down covering fire so that civilians can escape from Iraqi irregulars, we're going to look pretty darn good.

Plus, we can pin Iraqi field units down in the deserts and pound them into dust.

	30-03-2003 02:23									#43
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No not really horse.

Good troll though.

Zkrib is also right, once Iraqis know the US/UK is there to finish it this time, their condidence will grow and they'll be glad to see the government gone.

	30-03-2003 03:04									#44
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Generals are running this war, not a President that allows only half-stepping.
So, no.

The only similarity is that whine-bags are still plentiful.

	30-03-2003 03:08									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker ... their condidence will grow and they'll be glad to see the government gone.

They will also be glad to see the invaders gone. And they will fight until they are. So would you if someone attacked your country, right?

	30-03-2003 03:12									#46
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They will huh?

I don't think so.

Your anti-Americanism is wishful thinking Viking Eurocom.

	30-03-2003 03:28									#47
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The war won't be bloody, but the occupation will be, the Sunnis will be going geurilla on us. The Shiites like us because the Baathists are Sunnis. Saddam's paramllitary thugs will be harrassing us long after this war is finished, thats what the Vietnam scare is about.

	30-03-2003 03:34									#48
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Ruby
Kenny Rogers


Ruby, are you contemplating going out some where?
The shadow on the wall tells me, the sun is going down
Oh, Ruby, don't take your love to town
It wasn't me who started that old crazy Asian war,
But I was proud to go and do my patriotic chore
And yes, it's true that I am not the man I used to be
Oh, Ruby, I still need some company
It's hard to love a man whose legs are bent and paralyzed
And the wants and the needs of a woman your age, Ruby, I realize
But it won't be long, I've heard them say, until I'm not around
Oh, Ruby, don't take your love to town
She's leaving now, 'cause I just heard the slamming of the door
The way I know I've heard it slam a hundred times before
And if I could move, I'd get my gun and put her in the ground
Oh, Ruby, don't take your love to town
Oh, Ruby, for God's sake turn around

	30-03-2003 03:35									#49
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk I'm a regular lurker and occasional poster here:

If you could point out a good Heroclix site I would be greatful.

	30-03-2003 03:54									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler Plus, we can pin Iraqi field units down in the deserts and pound them into dust.

Yeah. Except that the Iraqis learned that leason in 91 and are largely sticking to populated areas this time.

	30-03-2003 04:02									#51
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Cept for those two units that tried to move out of the cities a couple of days ago and got smashed.

	30-03-2003 04:44									#52
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Why oh why are people missing the point. The war will probably be won, but that will only be the start of the trouble.

Look if the US is not number one on every Iraqui's hate list it is probably number 2 or 3 if you count Israel. The Iraqui people might say nice things or play nice initially but they hate America's guts. The number one requirement for a guerilla war is that the guerillas have the local population on side. I think it's pretty clear that in the absence of Saddam the move to push out the "colonialists" will be pretty popular and the conditions for urban guerilla warfare will be quite favourable. The occupation just looks like providing a local and accessible place for people who want veangance on America to come and take it. OBL must be jumping for joy.

	30-03-2003 04:59									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker They will huh? I don't think so. Your anti-Americanism is wishful thinking Viking Eurocom.

And what recent events would back up your view on the Iraqi's will to resist invasion?

BTW, I'm as far from a "com" as anyone could get. I have been a conservative voter in every election so far. But why would that prevent me from opposing a war of agression?

	30-03-2003 05:04									#54
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quote: Why oh why are people missing the point. The war will probably be won, but that will only be the start of the trouble.

That's exactly it. You can't make a comparison to germany or japan in rebuilding and post-war stability scenarios because they were a lot more homogeneous and a lot more willing to work together in rebuilding their respective country. Iraq will be a quagmire.

Some Administration officials testified before Congress said that Iraq should have an independent, democratically elected government in two- three years post war.


Good luck.....

	30-03-2003 05:05									#55
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IT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER VIETNAM!!!

	30-03-2003 05:19									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker IT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER VIETNAM!!!

Not really. But the US will probably get a bloody nose, allright.

	30-03-2003 06:00									#57
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Oh you would just love that.

	30-03-2003 06:19									#58
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In my view all people should pray day and night that this war will turn out to be just another Vietnam.

I rather fear this is another Sarajevo: Pandora's box has been opened again, unleashing the Four Horsemen...

	30-03-2003 06:21									#59
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No, Iraq does not remind me of Vietnam. Vietnam was largely a jungle and the people were more asian looking. Iraq, on the other hand, has quite a bit of sand and I think there are a lot of Muslims there...

	30-03-2003 06:25									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Oh you would just love that.

I will not comment on that. MtG-apulco is a boring place to be...