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Lancer
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Oregon Coast, USA! or Bohol, Philippines!
Apr 1999
time: 05:27
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We've now had 2 women killed or captured in Iraq. The US has determined that no women should serve in combat units, for their own safety. To me, this is because men are the 'combat models', if you will, of the human race. Women have other strengths.
The political correctness of the '70s and early '80s culminated in women in the armed services, but not combat roles. Some few women wanted to do everything that men do, like that's something to be aspired to. In the first Gulf war, 9% of all women to be deployed to thre Gulf became pregnant. This is far above the usual percentage, (Below 1%, though I don't recall the exact #) and due to avoiding deployment to a war zone. I guess that's not playing anymore, and not to be aspired to. These women occupied technical non-combat rolls. They had to be replaced last minute by inexperienced, untrained personel. That's not good and may well have cost the lives of men serving in combat. Sure, that's my own speculation. However, in the military, training is everything, I know, and that's NOT speculation. It's not good enough that 91% went. When you train 10 people to do a job, it's not good enough that 9 show, not THIS job.
So now we have at least one woman POW in Iraq. Well God help her, because we can't. I want to kill em all and get her out. Can't do that.
Question is, wtf is she doing there in the first place? Can't we roll back the silly **** that allowed her to be there?
It's not a game anymore...
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Flubber
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With a view of the Rockies
Aug 2000
time: 22:27
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While I am old fashioned enough to hate the idea of a woman POW more than a man POW on many levels, I still choose that women should have the right to fill any military role--combat or non combat. Equality does not only apply to pleasant or fun things.
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Lancer
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Oregon Coast, USA! or Bohol, Philippines!
Apr 1999
time: 05:27
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Obiwan, I see a banana option. I see a banana option big as the Old Northwest. You could cut the frigging Oregon Trail across that banana option.
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:27
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Originally posted by Lancer
The political correctness of the '70s and early '80s culminated in women in the armed services, but not combat roles. |
Might want to check your history books a little, babe. BTW, something close to 100 women in military service were casualties in Viet Nam.
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Some few women wanted to do everything that men do, like that's something to be aspired to. |
Did you take a poll, and find out it was a few? Maybe while asking 'em to get you another beer? Damn, that they should define themselves what they individually aspire to. Next thing you know, they'll want men's jobs, to go out of the house without a male relative present, even to run for political office? What's a good Moslem to do?  Yes, we men must protect our women from being misguided and led into the temptation to stray from the path that Allah has ordained for them.
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In the first Gulf war, 9% of all women to be deployed to thre Gulf became pregnant. |
Source?
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This is far above the usual percentage, (Below 1%, though I don't recall the exact #) and due to avoiding deployment to a war zone. |
Glad you asked the reason.
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I guess that's not playing anymore, and not to be aspired to.
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I guess you're speculating, but that's ok, women need men to tell 'em how to think straight.
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These women occupied technical non-combat rolls. They had to be replaced last minute by inexperienced, untrained personel. |
So they all got knocked up at the last minute, and then we had nobody else at all in those same MOS's - we had to take civvies, and 11-Bravos, and all sorts of people with no training whatsoever to replace those hordes of knocked-up women. In fact, we have no reserves, no "fat" in the CSS side of the military despite that's where almost 90% of personnel are.
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That's not good and may well have cost the lives of men serving in combat. Sure, that's my own speculation. |
In other words, I don't have a clue, so I'll make up an argument that the supposed lack of some REMF somewhere 300 miles in some some rear area made that stray Iraqi round suddenly more accurate, or cause my own forces to fire on me.  It's not the enemy, it's not fratrical incidents, it's those damn women not knowing their place.
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It's not good enough that 91% went. When you train 10 people to do a job, it's not good enough that 9 show, not THIS job. |
Assuming that's the number, they were replace in MOS, and every organization in the military from a rifle squad to a mess hall and everything else you can name plans to function around losses and personnel shortages, for whatever reason. Nice way to take a cheap shot at the best performing army in American history, so you do your "oh, let's protect the little women by keeping them in their places where they belong" routine.
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So now we have at least one woman POW in Iraq. Well God help her, because we can't. |
We had one there last time, too. Plus men. We had women POW's of the Japanese in WW2 and the NK forces as well.
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Question is, wtf is she doing there in the first place? |
Uh, serving her country as she chose?
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Can't we roll back the silly **** that allowed her to be there? |
Yeah - let those *****es out of the kitchen and the bedroom, let 'em vote for God's sakes, and just LOOK what happens. 
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Lorizael
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The Cult Wins
Sep 2001
time: 00:27
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No Lancer, women aren't aspiring to be men, they're aspiring to be human, something that only men were allowed to do until the Women's Rights Movement.
Stop thinking about the human race as divided into men and women, christians and muslims, blacks and whites - it is just humans goddamnit.
Yes, women should be allowed in the military, and should be allowed to do all that men can do. And yes, they should have the same standards as men, even if this means that fewer women get in, because we're looking for equality here.
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VJ
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Helsinki
Dec 2001
time: 07:27
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No Lancer, women aren't aspiring to be men, they're aspiring to be human, something that only men were allowed to do until the Women's Rights Movement.
Stop thinking about the human race as divided into men and women, christians and muslims, blacks and whites - it is just humans goddamnit.
Yes, women should be allowed in the military, and should be allowed to do all that men can do. And yes, they should have the same standards as men, even if this means that fewer women get in, because we're looking for equality here. |
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:27
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I served with women, and women here can do combat if they wish. Actually they pretty much have to if they volunteer in the army, you can't choose so much what you get to do, they'll tell you what you can do after you have proven yourself and your abilities. I guess that's the way in every army.
I had the pleasure of serving with few outstanding ladies, they were good, tough and mean. The rest of them (maybe 85%)?... I don't mean to be the rude macho man here but.. uh oh it was horrible. It wasn't their fault really, but many guys spent most of their time trying to flirt with them, or get with them. And I know that some even did. Now.. I like sex and porn like the man next to me, but it's not the place or time. Maybe I'm a superlifer or what ever, but I like to concentrate on everything there is to be done and learn everything they teach me and then some. What if I have to go to war? The guys next to me were only flirting with girls and talking about their tits and what not. I want to do that too, but there are time and places for that, like when you're out on beer, or free time. God damn if I have to die because some jerk was too hung on ladies. And again, it's not the fault of the ladies, it's the guys.
And other thing, sure, things are more technical. But war is still tough job. When it gets longer and situation are tough, it's very hard, no matter if you have some laser pointers that you can fiddle with. Attitude steps in, and some guys report sick because they're lazy sure.. but I have had the honour of carrying extra vests and bags and guns, you name it, because some ladies didn't have the energy to carry them, because they are heavy and you have to go for a long time. That brings bad blood amongs the men like 'girl can't carry his own stuff' etc. While some men can't do it either, well.. that is still unnecessary bad blood. If I get wounded, I'd like to see the lady who can drag me away with my gear. Sure, there are some who could do that, but most of them can't. So I take the risk of sounding like a bigot, but I'd really hate it and I don't plan on getting to really know about it for real.
I'm sgt, so MANY times I had to straighten some guys out, because their OWN NCO, who happened the be a woman, could not get the authority she needs. Countless times I was being asked, or should I say more like whined 'please come help me, the guys aren't listening, they won't do what I tell them'. So once again you need a guy to do the job. This can happen with men too and it does, but again, why add to the burden?
And again, the real problem is in the guys. But as we are what we are.. hey maybe in the next 50 years, but not now.
Also, it was troubling sometimes to order group of ladies, give them hard time and some extra physical training with motivating loud talking for some men. I didn't have the problem since I'm an ******* no matter what your sex is, if that is needed. But some nco's and even officers had the problem, because they liked their figures and tried to be their friends so they could maybe have sex some day when they're drunk. Well that can't happen. It's just SO much easier when there are just guys. There are lots of jobs that women can do well in the army. I think we should just keep it that way. I'm more old school guy anyway, I guess.
Definitely NOT as combat troopers. I would hate the idea of a lady being my fighting partner when it goes close distance. You can say wars are not like that anymore, but they can be very much so. I want to fight with the best in place next to me, if that is possible, even if it makes me anti-women, what ever I don't care.
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VJ
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Helsinki
Dec 2001
time: 07:27
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And other thing, sure, things are more technical. But war is still tough job. When it gets longer and situation are tough, it's very hard, no matter if you have some laser pointers that you can fiddle with. Attitude steps in, and some guys report sick because they're lazy sure.. but I have had the honour of carrying extra vests and bags and guns, you name it, because some ladies didn't have the energy to carry them, because they are heavy and you have to go for a long time. That brings bad blood amongs the men like 'girl can't carry his own stuff' etc. While some men can't do it either, well.. that is still unnecessary bad blood. If I get wounded, I'd like to see the lady who can drag me away with my gear. Sure, there are some who could do that, but most of them can't. So I take the risk of sounding like a bigot, but I'd really hate it and I don't plan on getting to really know about it for real.
I'm sgt, so MANY times I had to straighten some guys out, because their OWN NCO, who happened the be a woman, could not get the authority she needs. Countless times I was being asked, or should I say more like whined 'please come help me, the guys aren't listening, they won't do what I tell them'. So once again you need a guy to do the job. This can happen with men too and it does, but again, why add to the burden? |
...great... attitude... you've got there...
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:27
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Tuomen, and unless you point out what was it I said that you don't agree with, I'll take that as a troll.
Do you agree, that war is physically tough?
Do you agree, that if it gets longer and longer, it's even more tougher, even with modern technology?
Do you agree, that it is more tough for women to get their authority and respect amongst them men, if they are leaders?
Do you agree, that if a woman can't carry her own stuff and some guys have to do it, the men will complain about it, because it's a woman in situation?
I'm 89 kilos heavy, and with full combat gear, wouldn't you agree that most women could not effectively drag me away, or carry me?
What of these you do not agree with me?
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01-04-2003 03:04
Yeah, you'd have to really do an effort to not seeing the banana option 
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