01-04-2003 05:45									#1
	Why is going to college selling out? Suffering from ads?

never understood this... why is it that when someone is trying to make something of themselves by going to college and all that some people start saying they selling out or trying to act white and all that? makes no sense... to try to succeed means you selling out?

is this kind of idea prevalent in other areas or is it just a lower-class thing?


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	01-04-2003 05:47									#2
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It's called jealousy

Those who can go... go. Those that can't or don't try are the ones selling themselves short...

	01-04-2003 05:48									#3
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Because if you dont stick together, it can be considered "selling out" under one's perspective.

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Sticking together so you can all be lossers sounds pretty stupid to me. It's a fact, if you have a college degree it is more likely you will succeed...

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quote: Originally posted by Ming It's called jealousy Those who can go... go. Those that can't or don't try are the ones selling themselves short...

Actually they are "buying in"... i guess...

	01-04-2003 05:53									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Sticking together so you can all be lossers sounds pretty stupid to me. It's a fact, if you have a college degree it is more likely you will succeed...

I think its everyone's instinct to drag someone along with you when you fail. I just experienced this today. My friend wasnt sure if the dishes were clean. I assured him it was and just because there was one cup that wasnt clean(maybe someone accidentally put that cup into the cabinet completely by passing the washing process ) doesnt mean whole stock of them wasnt. He still tried to get me to drink it subtley, using the cup from the stock, just so that he wouldnt feel bad if it wasnt washed.

Let me invent a proverb right now: "Poison is easier to drink when you're not drinking alone."

	01-04-2003 05:59									#7
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quote: I think its everyone's instinct to drag someone along with you when you fail.

Crabs in a bucket.

The crabs pull on each other's legs. so that none of the crabs climb out of the bucket.

	01-04-2003 06:11									#8
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Speer: Didn't you say peer pressure was a good thing? And here you are complaining about it,...

	01-04-2003 06:27									#9
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if being an dolt with a low thought job makes me black, i fear for the black community

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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 Crabs in a bucket.

so thats where the expression comes from! many thanks

	01-04-2003 06:36									#11
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I've never heard that going to college being selling out. but I grew up in hawaii so not many black ppl. maybe its a black culture thing?

	01-04-2003 06:40									#12
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It's because those college fools don't have love for the streets, dawg.

	01-04-2003 06:40									#13
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quote: is this kind of idea prevalent in other areas or is it just a lower-class thing

Well, I am a middle class white kid who goes to a private school and can tell you that my school has a 100% college acceptance rate. I have a feeling it is jealousy and is more of a lower class thing. If you are going to college congrats! I have read that college grads make up to a million more dollars in their life than those who stop at high school.

	01-04-2003 07:26									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Ming It's called jealousy Those who can go... go. Those that can't or don't try are the ones selling themselves short...

I agree that those whom go..go..agreed

I agree that some are jealous some are perhaps even envious...


But the rest of your comment is crappola on a schtick Ming!

Me, I come from a poor family, well, not dirt poor, but 8 children, 2 died. I quit school at 16 joined U S Army at 17. I am now an Area Manager in the Ready Mix Concrete Industry. I am in charge of 6 counties, overseeing 40 people, Sales,Operations,Quality Assurance,Maintenance and collections.

So how am I selling myself short?

Sure, I wish i had stuck out High School, but never had the desire to go to college. I have however taken and passed college level courses for advancement in different programs I needed.

I am just saying that because someone doesnt go to college doesnt make themselves less likely to succeed.

I would ask that being a success not be bracketed by a degree. Life sometimes offers much more satisfaction. Raising a family for instance is considered gratification. So is being a missionary.

My daughter graduated University North Carolina Chapel Hill. She will graduate Wake Forest Medical School as a P.A. My son is a Deputy Sherriff in Onslow County North Carolina.
Neither sold themselves "out" or "short". Each took a different course and we are both proud of how they turned out.

I say if you want to attend a higher educational institute, fine.

If you dont, then dont.

If you cannot then seek an alternate path, like lifes lessons along the Hard way.

But dont feel like you are selling yourself short because you dont have a degree. It simply isnt so.

Peace

Grandpa Troll

	01-04-2003 07:46									#15
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troll, this isnt 1973, where college is for hippies and ner'do'wells

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quote: Originally posted by yavoon I've never heard that going to college being selling out. but I grew up in hawaii so not many black ppl. maybe its a black culture thing?

If by "black culture thing" you mean "ignant ass niggaz thing," then yes. However, blacks shouldn't be judged by their worst examples anymore than whites should be judged by the KKK.

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meh I knew someone was gna take offense to that. When I say black culture ppl generally know what I mean.

if it was something positive like "omg big black penii" yall wouldn't have ne problem=D

	01-04-2003 09:23									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer never understood this... why is it that when someone is trying to make something of themselves by going to college and all that some people start saying they selling out or trying to act white and all that? makes no sense... to try to succeed means you selling out? is this kind of idea prevalent in other areas or is it just a lower-class thing? thanks

No, its something that jealous stupid people say to try to downplay the superiority of more intelligent people.
I am poor, and I come from a poor area. I worked hard and earned scholarships to get me where I am today.

Where I come from going to college is admired, something both looked up to and aspired to by many people. These people are poor, these people are from the lower class, but these people see a value in education as a way to better one's lot in society.
If minorities see going to college as something to be ashamed of, then I feel no sympathy for their plight. It seems like an excuse to me, something that people say when they didn't put in the effort to even try to make something of themselves.

BTW, aren't you white? Why is it a bad thing for you to act "white"? I think that being ashamed of who you are, not whether or not you go to college, is selling out.

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quote: Originally posted by Troll I say if you want to attend a higher educational institute, fine. If you dont, then dont.

This approach doesn't work that well anymore. Where are the majority of people who graduate from High School going to get a job nowadays? This isn't like the ffties or sixties, where someone could go straight from high school to the local factory and live comfortably. Today, most people who graduate high school and don't go on to higher education are stuck working in the lower echelons of the service industry. A BA is seen as something that is almost standard, sort of like a high school degree was 30 years ago. Most places of employment expect their applicants to have a degree, simply because it is so damn easy to go to college these days. Masters degrees are swiftly becoming the dividing line between those who merely make a living and those who can live in relative ease.

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I think it is a lower-class thing, not so much a black thing. I have friends in the latino community and on Native American reservations who have experienced this. I myself am 1/8 latino and 1/8 Native American, but 3/4 caucasian and consider myself that only due to higher proportion.

My family grew up relatively poor, and I got involved in a lot of bad things. In high school (1989 through 1992) I was the kid with the long hair and leather jacket smoking pot and stealing hubcaps when I should have been in class. By the time I was 22, about half of my friends were in jail, a mental hospital, or dead. At that point I got my GED, went to college, got my degree in Computer Science and 2 Microsoft certifications by the time I was 25. Now I am 28, am the senior Database Administrator for a large national company, and I am about to get married.

Although my family and a few of my childhood friends supported me, almost all of the friends I had made since Jr. High accused me of selling out. If that's what I did, so be it. It saved my life.

If your 'friends' criticize you for going to college, just leave them behind and don't look back - they were never your friends to begin with.

	01-04-2003 09:51									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Troll So how am I selling myself short?

Think of how much better you might have been

You will note I also said...

quote: It's a fact, if you have a college degree it is more likely you will succeed...

Some don't need to go to college to succeed, and there are other who do go to college and fail big time.

But it is a FACT that if you have college degree, you are MORE LIKELY to succeed

	01-04-2003 09:58									#22
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im 19, and i dropped out of high school when i was around 16 and ive learned a lot in life. i learned that college degrees are what helps you gain an edge in the competitive world and helps keep you from working shitty jobs that 17 year olds get.

college is also a lot of fun from what i hear, so why the **** not?

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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 im 19, and i dropped out of high school when i was around 16 and ive learned a lot in life. i learned that college degrees are what helps you gain an edge in the competitive world and helps keep you from working shitty jobs that 17 year olds get. college is also a lot of fun from what i hear, so why the **** not?

I can see how college is fun and it helps you gain an edge, if you goto a good private school, but I'm starting to doubt whether going to just decent state university schools really helps you at all.

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quote: Originally posted by Calc II I can see how college is fun and it helps you gain an edge, if you goto a good private school, but I'm starting to doubt whether going to just decent state university schools really helps you at all.

Unless you are going into law or governmental research or something truly highbrow, it really doesn't matter.

	01-04-2003 10:02									#25
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While it might not help as much as it used to... To not have a degree still puts you at a terrible disadvantage...

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quote: Originally posted by Calc II but I'm starting to doubt whether going to just decent state university schools really helps you at all.

This depends. Many jobs just want to see a college degree, and don't care what college you got it from so long as you have one. Also, if you go to a big state school (Penn State, FSU, WVU, etc), work hard, and do well on your LSATs, MCATs, GREs, etc, you'll be in a good position to go to a decent grad school. Besides, some state schools are very high quality (University of Virginia, William and Mary, U.C. Berkely, U.N.C. Chapel Hill).

However, if you go to a super huge state school and **** off, you're not putting yourself in a great spot.

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calc II, I guess it depends on profession or vocation. for audio engineering its more of what you know, and who you know rather than where you learned it from. I think that holds true for more professions than just audio engineering

as for good state universities, i have 3 of my close friends going to UC berkeley, 1 going to UC santa cruz, 1 going to UCLA. Most of them love where they go, only one hates it but thats cause he doesnt know what he wants in life. to be honest i think they are all going to great schools for what they want to do and i wouldnt discourage them in any way because they arent going to a private school.

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	01-04-2003 11:49									#28
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Going to the community college, er, disco with books, THAT's the sellout.

	01-04-2003 12:20									#29
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 Crabs in a bucket. The crabs pull on each other's legs. so that none of the crabs climb out of the bucket.

Obiwan, I like how you think. You made me smile. Believe me, that is usually tough to do.

You sound like a Maritimer. No I'm not one, I'm in Alberta. I have been there though (Corner Brook NF) and have family down that way.

No, I'm not hijacking this thread. Speer, take it from someone who went to university late in life. Do it now if you can. Don't worry about what your friends think about you. You are not "selling out", you are changing your life and hopefully the lives of those around you.

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quote: Originally posted by Loif Speer, take it from someone who went to university late in life. Do it now if you can.

Very very good advice there Albert. It's much more difficult to start over later in life. A friend I went to high school with didn't go to Varsity as soon as he'd finished, took a few years off, picked up other complications and responsibilities and then ended up starting his first year while I was doing my last.
He found it much tougher and greatly regretted not having gone right away, and this was a delay of only a few years to boot.