01-04-2003 18:12									#1
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Do we switch now or wait?

	01-04-2003 19:14									#2
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How many turns, before the RP war starts ?
How many turns, before the GS war starts ?

Can we afford 4,5,6 turns of non-productive anarchy ?

I think we need military now.

	01-04-2003 19:52									#3
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Yes, I think I agree with HE. Wait until we have at least the 6 horseman and maybe 2-4 extra spearman.

...and pop the units before we switch to get them faster...

	01-04-2003 21:45									#4
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Wait till we have the number of forces that we "owe" for the rp war. Also I wonder how much republic will help us at this stage.
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	02-04-2003 00:04									#5
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If we are going to start warmongering, I doubt republic will help us much, plus take into account that switching governments will cause us various turns of anarchy and it's a prince I ain't willing to pay... yet.

	02-04-2003 03:51									#6
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't anarchy take longer as our empire grows? Let's not take too many cities before we switch.

	02-04-2003 04:32									#7
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There are two factors that determine the length of anarchy.

1) Rel civ trait. We don't have this, so it doesn't effect us.

2) Level of difficulty. I know for sure that the higher difficulty you are, the quicker an AI civ recovers from anarchy. I am not sure if it works for human civs. In this case, we would suffer from 1 to 5 turns of anarchy.

	02-04-2003 04:47									#8
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I say wait until war ends. We are going to experience war weariness in Republic anyway.

	02-04-2003 05:56									#9
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WW is either removed, or extremely curtailed in MP games.... or so the rumor goes...

	03-04-2003 00:08									#10
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the war weariness will be manageable (I hope). I'm worried we might suffer too many turns of anarchy and I wouldn't want that to hinder either our buildup or our actual warmaking.

	03-04-2003 03:20									#11
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My question is how long will it take to make up for the lost production of Anarchy? Several of our tiles will produce more shields under Republic and our corruption will be much lower allowing the four farthest cities to have better production.

This is a good time to switch since we won't lose much as our cities are fairly small and just now growing and the anarchy doesn't affect food growth.

	03-04-2003 04:45									#12
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quote: Originally posted by donegeal WW is either removed, or extremely curtailed in MP games.... or so the rumor goes...

quote: My question is how long will it take to make up for the lost production of Anarchy? Several of our tiles will produce more shields under Republic and our corruption will be much lower allowing the four farthest cities to have better production. This is a good time to switch since we won't lose much as our cities are fairly small and just now growing and the anarchy doesn't affect food growth.

Then I change my opinion. Someone compile a data :doitnow:

	03-04-2003 06:40									#13
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I think the main variables is how many turns till the RP war or whatever other war we are going to get into?

once we know that we can tell if we'll have enough time to make up for lost production before we start warmongering.

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	03-04-2003 11:08									#14
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The most imminent war we are going to get into is the one on Little Bob. For this, we need 6 horseman on their continent before the war starts. Last I saw, we have at least three already. If we pop rush the remainder of the required units, we should have an adaquate defensive force left on Bob should something occour (which I don't forsee as ND won't attack, and RP is just too far away to take advantage).

	03-04-2003 11:22									#15
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well, then, let's pop rush the remaining, and start kicking GS butt.

BTW, are we REALLY sure we're going to beat GS with Vox's immortals and our 6 horsemen? They will be one tough nut to crack (let's hope I'm wrong)

	03-04-2003 21:06									#16
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I don't want to pop rush, each lost pop will cost us the use of an additional tile in that city for the next 10-15 turns. Thus the loss of 10-30 shields, 10-30 Food, and 0-30 commerce. That's pretty expensive to rush a unit.

	04-04-2003 01:22									#17
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GF:
well than switch some builds to horsemen!!
I had noticed a few turns ago, there was only one city building horsemen... we need LOTS of them!!
This is why I want to have city governers soon - so we have more direct input on the produciton of the country.

	11-04-2003 04:35									#18
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We finish the 6 horsemen in ~4 turns. Do we switch then? I personally want to. It would mean we get Chivalry quicker. We probably won't have more than 4 turns of anarchy.

	11-04-2003 05:40									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Panzer32 GF: well than switch some builds to horsemen!! I had noticed a few turns ago, there was only one city building horsemen... we need LOTS of them!! This is why I want to have city governers soon - so we have more direct input on the produciton of the country.

What are you talking about? Almost all our productive cities are building Horsemen.

All you had to do was say something, you requested more Horsemen and I switched four cites to Horseman production.

	11-04-2003 06:00									#20
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Don't you guys think we should be preparing a Horesman hoard, so we can upgrade them to Riders and finally get a bad-ass army?? 15-20 horsemen, upgrade cost won't be that much considering the might-our new Rider army will have

	11-04-2003 06:48									#21
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quote: What are you talking about? Almost all our productive cities are building Horsemen. All you had to do was say something, you requested more Horsemen and I switched four cites to Horseman production.

My post was a week old; written while only one city was producing horses. Now, we could do with a few more builds (corrupt-er cities), but we're fine now.

	12-04-2003 19:07									#22
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I do think, that once we have our 6 Voxian horsemen, we make the gamble and switch ASAP.

I really wanted more units, incase Vox did anything stupid...(Imagine if we had allowed them that 1 city...who do you think would be facing 16 immortals now)

But as it seems, our position is reasonably secure..I say we gamble now.

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	13-04-2003 01:31									#23
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I agree. Once we get the 6 horsies, it's revolution time.

	13-04-2003 01:34									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen I agree. Once we get the 6 horsies, it's revolution time.

Three turns then.