03-04-2003 01:13									#31
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Karl's dont appear to attack Sevestpol unless the Germans hold Perekop, as for Nerva doable, but it is probably easier to just switch production in Leningrad to cruisers. I thinks is a gamble to try to hold Talinin, not to mention spread our selves thin; the Ai loves to drive up through the swamp south of Luga. On the subject, it is probably a good idea to raze that road going through said swamp

Edit: Oh yea, Im with fodder here, we need a poll.

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	03-04-2003 04:00									#32
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I don't think we should be too optimistic in what we want to hold. If we keep the line too outward, it will get overrun and it will be harder to setup another one more to the interior. We take some territorial losses, and as long as we consolidate our armies, we can push the Germans out even if they hold more territory than we want.

	05-04-2003 10:55									#33
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I doubt we'll be able to hold smolensk and vitebsk, the germans are allways very quick to expand in that area.

	05-04-2003 11:54									#34
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Considering all of the house rules we are using, I would agree that we shouldnt be overly optimistic about what cities we can hold. We should limit ourselves to Leningrad, Kharkov, Moscow, Tula, Seramofvich, Verezonah, Stalingrad, Rostov, and Sevestpol. Depending on how lucky we are on the first turns, It might be wise to try to hold Perekop also.

	05-04-2003 23:48									#35
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quote: Originally posted by EZRhino Considering all of the house rules we are using, I would agree that we shouldnt be overly optimistic about what cities we can hold. We should limit ourselves to Leningrad, Kharkov, Moscow, Tula, Seramofvich, Verezonah, Stalingrad, Rostov, and Sevestpol. Depending on how lucky we are on the first turns, It might be wise to try to hold Perekop also.

I've played the scenario with our rules and it is going to be very difficult to hold vitebsk and smolensk,

is Kharkov so defensable?
I'm not planning on holding the city, if anybody has a good strategy to hold it...

	06-04-2003 02:59									#36
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yeah, in MGE things are MUCH harder. I'd be skeptical if we can hold Kharkov.

	06-04-2003 07:48									#37
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Sorry, I meant Kallinin. Not Kharkov, was quoting from memory. I have always played with MGE, and I have never tried to defend Kharkov, but I doubt that it possible to hold on to it for very long, at least with out jepordizing the defence of more important cities.

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	06-04-2003 19:41									#38
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quote: Originally posted by EZRhino Sorry, I meant Kallinin. Not Kharkov, was quoting from memory. I have always played with MGE, and I have never tried to defend Kharkov, but I doubt that it possible to hold on to it for very long, at least with out jepordizing the defence of more important cities.

Kharkov with an AA batery and the NKVD troopers could hold for a while, but it is not worth the effort

	07-04-2003 02:29									#39
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It guards Moscow's northern flank, as well as the only route of resupply to Leningrad.

	07-04-2003 03:05									#40
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yes I plan on holding Kalinin at all costs

	07-04-2003 16:13									#41
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if the ai takes kalinin will have german units in the urals

so comrade anzac you must defend the city

	10-04-2003 22:57									#42
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In my game I managed to hold Smolensk relatively easily.

I think AI is not programed to take it specificaly, so it will rush to Moscow which then allows for some nice counterattacks from Smolensk the whole time.


Also a suggestion for you people about defending - do the 'scorched earth' policy. Leave as little units in cities you leave behind as to make sure Germans take them at size 1, or if they are not obective, completely destroy them. You have to destroy anti-tank defenses for this. Also pillage industrial squares around them.

The reason for this is that cities west of Don will be in German hands for most of the war and you don't want to give them the production.

The charge towards Berlin when time arrives is best via Smolensk in a straight line. Very doable when you get proper troops.

I took Berlin and penetrated deeply into Germany while Germans were still quite deep in my territory, still held Sevastopol for example.

Just some random thoughts of mine. I enjoyed this scenario very much and will follow your progress with interest.

	10-04-2003 23:03									#43
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want to be a front commander? an opening has come up along the murmansk front

	11-04-2003 01:18									#44
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Go for it VetLegion

Take my spot.

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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion In my game I managed to hold Smolensk relatively easily. I think AI is not programed to take it specificaly, so it will rush to Moscow which then allows for some nice counterattacks from Smolensk the whole time.

there is an event when the city is conquered

quote: Also a suggestion for you people about defending - do the 'scorched earth' policy. Leave as little units in cities you leave behind as to make sure Germans take them at size 1, or if they are not obective, completely destroy them. You have to destroy anti-tank defenses for this.

this is considered cheating

quote: Also pillage industrial squares around them. The reason for this is that cities west of Don will be in German hands for most of the war and you don't want to give them the production. The charge towards Berlin when time arrives is best via Smolensk in a straight line. Very doable when you get proper troops. I took Berlin and penetrated deeply into Germany while Germans were still quite deep in my territory, still held Sevastopol for example. Just some random thoughts of mine. I enjoyed this scenario very much and will follow your progress with interest.

good sugestion
sometimes there are a few cities quite hard to conquer,
in my games perekop always have around 70 units

take the front comander place

	11-04-2003 03:36									#46
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Thank you for the kind offer guys! I would love to join you but I simply don't have the time.

quote: this is considered cheating

What is considered cheating? Selling anti-tank defenses? I think I remember seeing it in the readme.txt that comes with the scenario

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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion Thank you for the kind offer guys! I would love to join you but I simply don't have the time. quote: this is considered cheating What is considered cheating? Selling anti-tank defenses? I think I remember seeing it in the readme.txt that comes with the scenario

are you sure?
I've seen this in a list of cheats tons of time in the forums

I'll take a look

	12-04-2003 06:44									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Shaka Naldur this is considered cheating

considering we are selling off the most expensive structure in cities that will be conquered and selling off all sorts of stuff in general, not to mention the russians themselves practiced a scorched earth policy waiting for winter makes me wonder why exactly it would be considered cheating?

	18-04-2003 01:23									#49
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Nemo specifically said it was cheating in the readme. It has something to do with the events file creating units in captured soviet cities.

	18-04-2003 01:24									#50
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Duplicate post.

	18-04-2003 07:38									#51
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So did we ever decide on a front line?

	18-04-2003 10:18									#52
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I think its up to the regional commanders to decide which cities they want to try to hold. It would be kind of nice to get a consensus though. It would be best not to bite off more than we can chew.

	18-04-2003 14:46									#53
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I think we got a consensus, more or less, we didn´t make a poll but I think i know which cities are going to be hold

	18-04-2003 15:15									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Shaka Naldur I think we got a consensus, more or less, we didn´t make a poll but I think i know which cities are going to be hold

Is it esentially the pictures you posted?

	18-04-2003 20:12									#55
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yes, narva, luga, demyansk, kallinin, moscow, tula, vorozneh, serafimovich, rostov, perekop
and I don't know colwyn plans but I think he'll try to hold smolensk, vitebsk or both

	18-04-2003 20:36									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Shaka Naldur yes, narva, luga, demyansk, kallinin, moscow, tula, vorozneh, serafimovich, rostov, perekop and I don't know colwyn plans but I think he'll try to hold smolensk, vitebsk or both

Roger that!

Thanks Comrade!

	19-04-2003 01:50									#57
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here is my new proposal..
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	19-04-2003 02:42									#58
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I'm evacuating my front. I'm not taking any chances.

	19-04-2003 02:48									#59
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	19-04-2003 07:24									#60
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I am less optimistic about what we can hold. It isnt possible to hold cities so far west without unethical amouts of reloading.
I say we stick to the basics. We should hinge our defensive efforts around Leningrad, Kalinin, Moscow, Tula, Voronezh, Serefimovch, Stalingrad, Rostov and Perekop.
This map is getting sort of crowded.