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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Democratic presidential hopeful Joe Lieberman said Monday that he will push a Senate bill that would extend benefits to partners of gay federal employees.

The legislation would give domestic partners the same benefits available to spouses of federal employees, including life and health insurance, retirement pay and compensation for on-the-job injuries. Domestic partners could be gay or straight, as long as they file an affidavit saying they are living together in a committed, intimate relationship, but are not married.

The legislation was introduced last year by Minnesota's Democratic Sens. Mark Dayton and Paul Wellstone, who died last fall in a plane crash. Lieberman, who is running for president, said he will pick up where Wellstone left off in pressing for the bill.

The measure must be reintroduced in this session of Congress. It will be referred to the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee, where Lieberman is the ranking Democrat, but it faces long odds in the Republican-controlled Congress.

"If it doesn't get done in the next two years, I intend to introduce and sign it as president of the United States," Lieberman said in a speech to the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism.

Lieberman is one of nine Democrats seeking the presidency. One of his opponents, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, was a co-sponsor of the legislation. Another candidate, former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, signed a civil union bill that allows gay couples to receive all the rights available to married couples under state law.

Lieberman told the audience that although tremendous progress in civil rights has been made in the last 40 years, much work is unfinished. He called for an end to racial profiling, support for affirmative action, equal pay for women and protection of abortion rights.

"Conservative politicians -- and indeed conservative political leaders with all due respect -- have no monopoly on moral values," he said.

Separately, the Lieberman campaign announced Monday that it will operate from dual headquarters -- one in the Washington suburb of Arlington, Virginia, and another in Hartford, Connecticut. The campaign also includes offices in early primary states of New Hampshire, Iowa and South Carolina and fund-raising offices in Florida, California and New York.

The Dean campaign, meanwhile, announced that its manager, Rick Ridder, is stepping down as of April 15, leaving the position vacant for now. Ridder will return to his Denver home and his firm will continue to consult for Dean's candidacy, the campaign said in a statement.

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Is he banned?

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i don't think so

i just thought he'd enjoy reading it

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Suffering from ads?

trying to ease his image as a moderate in hopes of winning the nomination i see

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he's probably already read the article, but maybe he has some insight on it

since it applies to both straight and gay couples I don't see any problem with this legislation, and it sounds like a fair way to handle this

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I think they should follow the civil union model and tax gay couples the same way they do married hetero couples.

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Just more proof that the ZOG and the Gay Mafia are in cahoots...

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dinodoc, i dont think any gay people would complain if they got the same benefits as married hetero couples

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We're getting Civil Unions over here.

And of course you wouldn't see the Republicans pushing anything like this? Why should filthy homos be anything but second-class citizens?

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We're getting Civil Unions over here.

And of course you wouldn't see the Republicans pushing anything like this? Why should filthy homos be anything but second-class citizens?


And yet another unfair attack by somebody who doesn't even live here. I'm a Republican, you sh*thead, and I support this proposal (always have), so why don't you take your goddamned prejudices and shut up?

Yes, I edited this so I wouldn't get banned. So sue me.

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We're getting Civil Unions over here.



Since when

If you mean Ken Livingstones little ceremonies then you might be dissapointed, they will carry no weight with the courts.

Eventually ther may be some legislation of what happens to pensions and other assetts of people in long term relationshios when someone dies nut civil unions won't get through teh Hosue of lords or past the daily mail brigade

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John T - the Republican administration is NOT big on gay rights - in fact, the only reason gay people haven't had it worse is becasue Cheney's daughter is gay.
And your 'you don't live here, you don't know' argument is pathetic. I get American news channels, and American TV, etc all the time. Do you work in the White House? How would you know infimnitely more about the political system than a non-American? Dumbass.


And Stinger - the Labour Govt is bringing in a lot of new legislation - aimed at both altering what constitutes 'gross idecency' and idecent behavour in public and introducing legal Civil Unions for couples of the same sex.

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And the Lords can only block things for a year anyway

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And the Lords can only block things for a year anyway


not quite. they can block legislation intorduced in the commons indefinately. However after the third refusal the commons can wait a yera and use the parlaiment act to force through the legislation. they are reluctant to do this. further if the legisltion is introduced in the Lords ny way of an amendmanet tagged onto another bill then
the commons cannot overule the Lords.

In the near future there is not likely to be legislation to put unmarried couples(gay or straight) ont he same footing as married ones.

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Bah. I'll research the issue further later.


And I'll make sure that when I'm emperor of the world the Lords will go the way of the French monarchy

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Bah. I'll research the issue further later.


And I'll make sure that when I'm emperor of the world the Lords will go the way of the French monarchy


We should go the way of the French so that a small mediteranian can take over.

The lords is being reformed alot at the moment so it might change

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John T - the Republican administration is NOT big on gay rights - in fact, the only reason gay people haven't had it worse is becasue Cheney's daughter is gay.
And your 'you don't live here, you don't know' argument is pathetic. I get American news channels, and American TV, etc all the time. Do you work in the White House? How would you know infimnitely more about the political system than a non-American? Dumbass.


You're right, it was a stupid argument. My apologies.

How about this: Explain to me how hatred of an entire group of people based upon political affiliation or religious preference is morally superior to hatred of an entire group of people based upon race or sexual preference?

We see this all the time on Apolyton and this dichotomy has always puzzled me. I eagerly await your response.

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Stinger -

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In 2001, the Mayor of London opened a Register of Same Sex Partnership. Although the fact of registration does not automatically confer the legal rights that come with marriage, it can be used as additional evidence in any disputes or civil action that might arise over tenancy, pension or immigration rights. Similar schemes have now been introduced in Manchester, Liverpool, Swansea and Bath & N E Somerset. Partnership registers appear now to be sreading accross the country.

In January 2002, Lord Lester of Herne Hill introduced a Civil Partnership Bill into the House of Lords which would allowed same-sex partners to register their partnership to get some of the same rights as married couples. On its second reading all sides of the House expressed support for the principles enshrined in the Bill.

Subsequently, in February 2002 Lord Lester announced that he would not proceed with his Civil Partnership Bill at this stage but would call for a select committee to look at the issues later in the year.

In December 2002 the Government announced plans for same-sex couples to be granted many of the same rights as married ones as part of a legally recognised 'civil partnerships' scheme. Consultation is due to begin in the summer of 2003 but ministers say they have not decided on exactly what rights the scheme would give gay couples. However the following areas will be considered: taxation (particularly Inheritance Tax), Pensions and Social security and "next of kin" rules.

There has been huge progress on this issue in the last year or two and I believe that legally recognised partnership recognition may be with us in the not too distant future.


http://www.gaytimes.co.uk/gt/defaul...D=2128&pub=2127


John T - I don't really condone hatred based on any aspect of their life. However, I myself do have prejudices against the right and the religious - because it was them who made me feel like a freak for my teenage years. It's very difficult to not be prejudiced aghainst people who are trying to deny you equal rights. If you go to a blood bank and your blood isn't acceptable because you're gay. Or your partner is ill or dies and you have no legal rights as to visitation or inheritance. These have happened either to me and other gay people I know.

And I guess you could argue that people choose their religion and politics. Obviously people do not pick their race and, take it from me, people do not pick their sexuality.

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dinodoc, i dont think any gay people would complain if they got the same benefits as married hetero couples

If that's the price we have to pay for more revenue, so be it. Spread the marriage penalty around!

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Red John- I do think there will be legislation make inheritance rules fairer and maybe some stuff on permission to do the funeral and donate organs. Anything further is soem way off

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However, I myself do have prejudices against the right and the religious - because it was them who made me feel like a freak for my teenage years. It's very difficult to not be prejudiced aghainst people who are trying to deny you equal rights.

Since when have I made you feel like a freak or denied you equal rights?

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Since when have I made you feel like a freak or denied you equal rights?


For some reason he's a little sensitive today

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Sloww - sorry, I didn't mean to intend that you or the majority of religious people do - I've just been in a bad mood today.

Stinger - some peple on these boards are being downright offensive.

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Rd John -ther'e trolling you and your feeding em. Just ignore em

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