02-04-2003 13:46									#1
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thetruth.com if you dont know is an anti smoking site that targets the cig companies in their ad campaigns against smoking. but i find it funny that they are demonizing the companies of all things. arent there bigger things in this country that need attention? fat people? murders? etc etc

we dont need to bring to light the fact that RJR and Phillip Morris are bad companies. its common knowledge. move along truth.com

	02-04-2003 13:53									#2
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I donīt care about the murderers, but they should do definately something against the fat people.....

	02-04-2003 13:58									#3
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fat people take up entirely too much room, and then think you are rude when you don't move out of the way.

	02-04-2003 13:58									#4
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 we dont need to bring to light the fact that RJR and Phillip Morris are bad companies. its common knowledge. move along truth.com

We dont need to bring to light the fact that you are a troll; its common knowledge. Move along MRT144.

	02-04-2003 13:59									#5
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since you wont respond to my PMs anun, what do you have against me? seriously...

	02-04-2003 14:00									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Anun Ik Oba We dont need to bring to light the fact that you are a troll; its common knowledge. Move along MRT144.

It is indeed pointless to complain about a website that you are not forced to visit. But many other things are pointless as well. One could argue anything to be pointless. But these discussions are for another thread...

	02-04-2003 14:01									#7
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but see narz thats the beauty, in fact im complaining about the same thing they are complaining about...unforced participation in something unhealthy

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	02-04-2003 14:19									#9
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One of the nice things about being a part of a free society, is that different people can concentrate on what's important them as individuals. They want to concentrate on smokers, fine. You want to concentrate on obesity, fine. I want to concentrate on the perfect vanilla-coffee swirl ice cream, fine.

	02-04-2003 14:21									#10
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you don't need to bring to light the fact that thetruth.com is an anti-smoking website. That is common knowledge.

	02-04-2003 14:24									#11
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ok, but the whole thing that gets me is the way that they harp on the companies and their lying. sure they are free to say what they say, but i was thinking that their effort would be better placed elsewhere than focusing on the companies

	02-04-2003 15:31									#12
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 but see narz thats the beauty, in fact im complaining about the same thing they are complaining about...unforced participation in something unhealthy

Actually what you are complaining about is a little worse. Smokers do influence others with second hand smoke (which to me is quite irratating since I'm allergic to it) but the fact that thetruth.com exists doesn't really effect you in any direct way (unless you desire that URL for yourself).

	02-04-2003 15:33									#13
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk One of the nice things about being a part of a free society, is that different people can concentrate on what's important them as individuals. They want to concentrate on smokers, fine. You want to concentrate on obesity, fine. I want to concentrate on the perfect vanilla-coffee swirl ice cream, fine.

Absolutely! This is the ultimate beauty of a free society and especially the Internet!

	02-04-2003 15:59									#14
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I don't get why smoking is so demonized, yet alcohol and eating unhealthily can cause just as many (if not more) deaths per year - but who sees death warnings on the side of a bottle of Budweiser? Or on a happy meal?

Hipocracy if ya ask me.

	02-04-2003 16:00									#15
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see, redjon is thinking what i am...

	02-04-2003 16:51									#16
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Eating is usually beneficial.
Alcohol can actually be beneficial in small quantities.

Smoking on the other hand is never beneficial.

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon I don't get why smoking is so demonized, yet alcohol and eating unhealthily can cause just as many (if not more) deaths per year - but who sees death warnings on the side of a bottle of Budweiser? Or on a happy meal?

I'd recheck your stats. "Deaths caused by smoking (~120,000) are six times higher than the 20,170 deaths arising from: road accidents (3,444); poisoning and overdose (2,663); other accidental deaths (8,986); murder and manslaughter (503); suicide (4,379); and HIV infection (195) in the UK during 1998."

But ignoring health issues, if I sit next to someone eating a Big Mac or someone drinking a Budweiser I don't have the discomfort of being surrounded by stinking smoke and then have the smell linger on my clothes for hours afterwards.

	02-04-2003 17:00									#18
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 arent there bigger things in this country that need attention? fat people?

Funny choice of words.

I also found it funny that you gave "murderers" and "fat people" as examples in the same sentence.



On a more serious note, anti-smoking crusaders are really annoying, along with anti-SUV crusaders and atheist anti-Christian crusaders. (Yes, the irony of "atheist crusaders" was intentional.)

	02-04-2003 17:47									#19
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BC - I thought the largest killer in the UK was heart problems - though smoking can be bad for them, isn't unhealthy eating and lack of exercise worse?

	02-04-2003 18:25									#20
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Smoking is a significantly worse risk factor for heart disease than either a high-fat diet or lack of exercise.

	02-04-2003 18:47									#21
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon BC - I thought the largest killer in the UK was heart problems - though smoking can be bad for them, isn't unhealthy eating and lack of exercise worse?

I thought it was cancer and then heart disease. I do know that quitting smoking is accepted as the single most effective action you can take to reduce your risk of death from either cancer or heart problems.

	02-04-2003 21:06									#22
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Meh. I personally think that if you're stupid enough to use a product that will enslave you body and soul, drain your wallet and ravage your health, all while providing you with no benefit not provided by a cup of coffee, you essentially deserve what's coming to you. Being asthmatic, I just wish they'd pass some law requiring people to use a patch to get their fix so I don't have to cough on their stink every time I enter or exit a building.

Grr.

	02-04-2003 21:16									#23
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I smoke and I don't mind thetruth.com harping on these companies... IMO it is a bad approach, but if they want to do it...

Smokers are more prone to illnesses such as heart disease and cancer (not just lung or throat cancer, but all kinds).

Also, if they want to attack Phillip Morris why don't they harp on them getting me addicted to process cheese!!!

Go Kraft! I wish they never sold Miller, but they are going to be around for a long time.

	03-04-2003 17:00									#24
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Oh, and I'm an occassional smoker, but those new Giant Death Warnings on acks of cigarettes will not put me off one bit. In fact, it makes me want to do it more in protest, it's such a crass technique.

I did like the ad though where the girl was dipping her makeup brush in a ash tray and spreading it on her face. To be honest, the effects on your complexion are more likely to discourage people my age smoking more than cancer, etc.

	03-04-2003 17:02									#25
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Have you seen the drooping cigarettes advert?

	03-04-2003 17:07									#26
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No...

I think I can take a guess as to what it entails though...

	03-04-2003 17:08									#27
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19 year old guys sucking massive phalluses while topless

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Now THAT'S an advert

	03-04-2003 17:13									#29
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the caption was "dont smoke fags"