02-04-2003 17:55									#1
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George Michael was arrested by an undercover cop in an LA toilet and charged with 'lewd conduct'.

Is this the practise the British police used to do where theyu would pose as gay men and make an advance at real gay men and if they responded they would be arrested?

If so, does this still go on in the States? Is there opposition to it?

	02-04-2003 18:22									#2
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In regards to G. Michael:

"Pop singer George Michael has said he thinks he got himself deliberately arrested for lewd conduct in 1998 to try to refocus his life after a string of tragedies.
The star spoke openly about his arrest for lewd conduct in a Los Angeles public toilet in an interview with BBC Radio 1's Jo Whiley. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertai...biz/1879596.stm

In regards to your other question, I don't know. Like so many things in this country, I'm sure it depends upon the municipality.

	02-04-2003 18:35									#3
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There was a bust in Philly recently, but the police only observed the activity, they didn't solicite. If I had sex with my wife in public places I would get arrested, so I don't see why men having sex shouldn't face the same justice. Like they say: "Get a room".

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/02...w_prosbust.html

quote: Prostitution Bust at Strawbridge's 11 Men Arrested February 12, 2003 — Strawbridge's department store in Center City was the scene of a male prostitution sting Wednesday night that netted 11 suspects. Philadelphia police arrested eleven men in the 6th floor restroom of the Strawbridge's store at 8th and Market Streets. The suspects face lewdness and prostitution charges. Even the head of the vice squad says this was a new one for him, but undercover surveillance confirmed that alleged male prostitutes were setting up shop at Strawbridges. At the request of Strawbridge's management, Philadelphia police conducted two under cover surveillance operations at the 8th and market store. One on Jan 15th, the other today. They arrested 11 men total on prostitution and public lewdness charges. Police say the rendezvous were arranged through a hard core website and have been going on for six months on the sixth floor men's room adjacent to the restaurant. Strawbridges says none of its other stores is facing a similar problem. It has yet to figure out why the center city store was chosen. Customers went about their business, baffled as to why anyone would come to a public place for private conduct. There are no Strawbridges employees among the arrests. Police say the acts were not confined to the stalls, but out in the open in the men's room. A man and his son were among those who witnessed and reported the incidents.

	02-04-2003 19:13									#4
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon Is this the practise the British police used to do where theyu would pose as gay men and make an advance at real gay men and if they responded they would be arrested? If so, does this still go on in the States? Is there opposition to it?

Isn't that entrapment?

	02-04-2003 19:18									#5
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I agree people shoudn't be having sex in public places - but it was the case in this country that they would arrest you even if you just approached them to arrange a date. (Technically it is still illegal to arrange a date for a gay friend - though the law is set to change soon).

	02-04-2003 19:22									#6
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon I agree people shoudn't be having sex in public places - but it was the case in this country that they would arrest you even if you just approached them to arrange a date. (Technically it is still illegal to arrange a date for a gay friend - though the law is set to change soon).

to be fair its still illegal to where a hat on a sunday( or the other way round anyway you get my point).

	02-04-2003 19:24									#7
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Stupid laws are funny. Just not when the laws are actually practised (was it the Bolton 7 who were prosecuted a few years ago for having consentual sex with more than 2 persons present?)

	02-04-2003 19:35									#8
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It was a reasonable test case, they were hammering nails into each others bits. i know it was consensual but you could see why the authorities were a little bit concerned

	02-04-2003 19:36									#9
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I don't care to read of things like this, but was the undercover cop not some guy just taking a dump beside George's stall and heard him whacking?

	02-04-2003 19:39									#10
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I don't know about the situation which is why I was asking about it.

	02-04-2003 19:49									#11
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Equal opportunity under the law.
Police plant officers posing as hookers for the straights.

	02-04-2003 20:29									#12
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What the hell?

Who keeps track of the anniversary of crap like this?

	02-04-2003 20:33									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Asher What the hell? Who keeps track of the anniversary of crap like this?

I believe it was Red Jon.

	02-04-2003 20:36									#14
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I believe Zkribbler is correct.

What about Hugh Grant?

	02-04-2003 20:39									#15
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I'm assuming for Redfern's sake he saw it on some website rather than remember it.

	02-04-2003 20:46									#16
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Bingo. He sourced GayTimes from Hate Crimes website.

At the bottom right:

quote: 5 years ago... Pop star George Michael was arrested in an LA toilet and charged with "lewd conduct", after exposing himself to an undercover cop

	02-04-2003 20:47									#17
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Being arrested in a toilet -- now THAT'S something.

	02-04-2003 20:48									#18
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Ah HA! Asher "outs" RJ !

	02-04-2003 21:12									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Bingo. He sourced GayTimes from Hate Crimes website. At the bottom right:

HAHAHAHAHAHA Some cowardly mod deleted my post which was above this one - containing: "hopefully not from some conspiracy theory oriented flamer site".

Why can you now delete posts like that?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

	03-04-2003 01:57									#20
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This thread is a goldmine which EVERYONE should enjoy!

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These stings go on regularly. Every couple of months they run a series of stings here at GWU. Our problem is that we're an urban campus with many open buildings that don't require ID to enter during the day. Due to that, several 'hookup' sites have posted various bathrooms that are good for casual encounters.

Due to our campus turning up on these sites, UPD stings net anywhere from 2-5 per week when they run them. The same thing also happens at American U according to the campus paper.

So yeah, authorities do run stings. So what of it? Why would anyone oppose arresting people having sex in bathrooms?

	03-04-2003 02:10									#22
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GOVERNMENT DENIES KNOWLEDGE OF GAY EXCLUSIVE STINGS??

YOU BE THE JUDGE

	03-04-2003 02:16									#23
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damn I went into that particular Strawbridges before... gay men were having sex in it... eww...

	03-04-2003 02:17									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer damn I went into that particular Strawbridges before... gay men were having sex in it... eww...

If only you had know about it earlier, then you could have brought your purse.

	03-04-2003 02:20									#25
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hahahaha Asher I'm sure you know of Glenmore Park late at night?

When being taught how to drive years ago, cars kept pulling up beside me whenever I parked, flashing the lights as a sort of mating dance. When the tinted window of the suburban rolled down to reveal my rather pissed off Dad, the flamer scumbags would drive off pretty hastily

	03-04-2003 02:21									#26
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger It was a reasonable test case, they were hammering nails into each others bits. i know it was consensual but you could see why the authorities were a little bit concerned

Their bits, their choice. Not one receive permanent or maiming injuries. Operation Spanner was a disgrace.

	03-04-2003 02:22									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka GOVERNMENT DENIES KNOWLEDGE OF GAY EXCLUSIVE STINGS?? YOU BE THE JUDGE

Sssssssssend out the memo boyssss, the pigssss are out to geeeeet usssssss!


But in all seriousness, public sex should be frowned upon by any persuasuion.

	03-04-2003 02:26									#28
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Red Jon, from my time here at poly it seems you make some good contributions but do be careful not to become Mr Fun II , whereby all you're posts in some way or other are related to homosexuality.
Cheers
Matt

	03-04-2003 16:47									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Rothy Red Jon, from my time here at poly it seems you make some good contributions but do be careful not to become Mr Fun II , whereby all you're posts in some way or other are related to homosexuality. Cheers Matt

To be fair, I only did that yesterday.

It is alarming me though how homophobia and homophobic posts have violently risen on Poly.

Zylka - I thought you were bi?

And I saw it in my April issue of the Gay Times, not off a website

And I personally wouldn't have sex in a public place, let alone a toilet. Aside from the fact I'm pretty paranoid about STIs, toilets make me want to gag - not feel horny.

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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Their bits, their choice. Not one receive permanent or maiming injuries. Operation Spanner was a disgrace.

I agree, i'm glad they were found not guilty, but on the facts of that I know it does seem reasonable to have gone to court, if only to clarify the law. Which I also accept is a bit tough on those concerned.