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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
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A friend of mine has started to believe in god, because, (direct quote!) "It makes one think less". Well, I said that that's what she wants, and that's what makes her happy, I will not judge her, and just hope that she's happy. I started debating her, but then I realized that she doesn't want that, so I just let her stay in her blissful ignorance.
I obviously, don't agree with her, but still.
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Lincoln
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Apolyton is no fun anymore. We used to have these flaming religious debates but now I guess everyone has mellowed out. Where is Civnation now that we need him?
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:27
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unitarians are sandal wearing yuppies that want to be hippies. i was one for 12 years until i had a falling out involving the chalice and the local fire department having to be called.
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gunkulator
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quote:
Originally posted by MRT144
unitarians are sandal wearing yuppies that want to be hippies. i was one for 12 years until i had a falling out involving the chalice and the local fire department having to be called. |
Geez, I never heard of anyone getting kicked out of the UUs!
I'm in the go-along-get-along crowd for weddings, funerals and the like. Life's too short to argue with friends and families over who has the best imaginary friend. The internet otoh...
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:27
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i feel the same way gunkulator. i think everyone should go out and get trashed together after the sabbath and watch sporting events, the real religion of man.
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Lincoln
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Yes, sports does seem to be the main religion now. Even in church the teams are discussed. I guess that makes me an infidel because I can't stand any professional sport.
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:27
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thats the thing i love about sports. you and your friends can get together to "watch the game" but usually it can turn into something better with a BBQ, and drinking, and possibly more BBQ later that night. Sports is just a great cover for male bonding.
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Sava
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GO GO GO!
Mar 2001
time: 23:27
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I typically bite my tongue because most of the real religious people I know are stupid, and they certainly aren't worth the time I would waste arguing with them. My mother is not what you would call religious, but she definitely has faith. I often discuss my feelings that one shouldn't believe there is a God, or there isn't a God. We simply don't know either way. Her faith acts as a comforting tool for her, so I don't bother her. I don't have a problem with whether or not people believe in God, Allah, Zeus, or a pink elephant... but I have a real problem with people that try to preach their beliefs to others, or use their beliefs to justify some other agenda. I also dislike it when people say, "God says..." Nobody who has ever lived knows what happens when we die, what lies beyond... if there is an afterlife or not.
As for when I am at religious events...
As an Orthodox, I do not cross myself during the services. I haven't since I was around 9 or 10. I don't really care about how other people carry out their religious rituals; funerals, weddings, etc... Those occasions have more to do with the living than the dead or God.
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Arrian
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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
time: 00:27
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I only have 1 uber-religious relatively, and I don't see her often, so that's not so bad. She amuses me more than anything else, really.
The last time I went to church for anything other than a wedding/funeral was Christmas two years ago. I was visiting my brother & his family in Ohio, and I kinda got dragged along. I felt distinctly uncomfortable during that service for some odd reason. I suppose it was because I was actually listening & paying attention. Should've zoned out.
The last two weddings I've been to were full-blow Catholic ones that took 1hr+ each... ugh. I just tried to be non-offensive. I stood when people stood. I tried to be quiet and for the most part succeeded.
The vast majority of my friends are agnostics like me. One, though, periodically asks me if I believe in God. To which I can usually get away with a maybe but doubt it response. He hasn't bugged me in a while, though. He may have given up finally.
Anyway, I don't pick arguments with religious people. No point. Besides, most people get comfort from their faith. My lack of it doesn't have to be thrown at them, any more than their beliefs need to be tossed at me.
Ranting lunatic creationist uberconservatives with political agendas, on the other hand... BRING IT!
-Arrian
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Frogman
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I was an atheist but it didn't work for me. There aren't a whole lot of answers there to some of the basic questions of life. What got me off of being atheist was my an examination of evolution and the realization that it was less substantiated than God.
I know most people here think only idiots believe in God, but I find the whole evolution explanation even more difficult to believe. I think you have to be an idiot to believe that species just change after years of stablity to another perfectly stable species by some process of mutation or natural selection. How exactly to the number of chromosomes get changed? Species differentiation is ok, but how do wings and eyes get formed by that process?
When you look at the fossil record, its just not what Darwin predicted. In the end, atheists don't have all the answers either.
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devilmunchkin
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first circle of the inferno
Jul 2001
time: 05:27
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just realized something..the only thing i'm ever vocal about is my desire to see the fundies not comprise most of our government.
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Frogman
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Sava,
You are right in saying that evolution doesn't explain a lot. While atheists aren't required to believe in evolution, if its not God and not evolution whats the other choice?
For most people, their fundamental view of the world is shaped in either religion or science. As atheists don't have a religion, that leaves science. I'm not aware of science offering much beyond evolution theory to explain how we got here, so for most atheists, evolution does shape their view of the world and how we as humans interact with it.
If you claim religion and hold to the theory of evolution, I would argue that your faith is built on a shakey foundation, but that would be another thread. No doubt that many religious people believe a hybrid where evolution is guided by God, its not so easy to define or defend.
On the other hand, if you don't believe the evolution theory, what are you left with? For me, it only left God, but I'm open minded to other explanations. Don't bring in the aliens though. They don't help explain that much.
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from Big Crunch
Life forms make up a species, and so if they change the species necessarily changes. What's the problem? |
Species don't change that much, and they don't change that easily. I suppose everything is easy to believe if you don't think about it too much. I can't believe you think things are so well understood that there are no problems.
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