03-04-2003 22:09									#1
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I have said it eslewhere. Others have as well. Let's make this game a challenge as much as we can. Let's pick a weak civ.

So - rather than picking what the best trait is for SP, what do you think is the worst trait? And let's use the worst two to help guide our choice of a civ.

	03-04-2003 22:23									#2
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my fav traits (worst last):

Indistrious, Religious, Commercial, Militaristic, Expansionist, Scientific.

the vikings, in my opinion, are low-rung on civ traits, but the unit more than makes up for it.

	03-04-2003 23:04									#3
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Typically, I view expansionistic as teh worst as it depends far to much on what type of map you have. If you are on a small island, all those scouts are virtually worthless.

	04-04-2003 05:10									#4
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I like scientific. Expansionist sucks.

	04-04-2003 06:25									#5
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Expansionist gets a bad rap. I have played a variety of maps (pangaea to islands) and Expansionist hasn't been that big a problem in any of those situations. On some maps, the trait is one of the best around. On others, it is not as good.

	04-04-2003 08:35									#6
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Expansionist trait is only good if you get the right map, and the right amount of luck. (goodie huts & meeting civs early for tech whoring opportunities.)
It's a gamble.

Scientific is a waste of time, because we will be behind the tech leaders for the first half of the game anyway & buying techs. In the middle of the game when we are about to take over and tech leader, is where it shines. And then it becomes a waste again, after we are the most advanced nation.

On the other hand, Religeous, Commercial, Militaristic, & Industrious have benefits throughout most of the game.

IMO...using my playstyle.

	04-04-2003 18:07									#7
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I tried a game once as expansionist where I didn't build any stlrs and just built a load of scouts and wkrs in the hope of getting a load of free stlrs. From about 10 huts I got one free stlr despite always being able to get a free stlr.

For a challenge you could play expansionist and not build scouts but I doubt it would make much difference.

	04-04-2003 20:33									#8
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Expansionist is the worst trait for an archipelago. But on a huge continents or pangea, it might be the best trait.

Oddly enough, in my current game (Russians, Emporer, Huge, Continents) I got 2 settlers and an advanced tribe from huts and was never behind in tech.

OPD, what map? On standrad continents, I think the mean is over 1 settler. It's just that they might not be close to your capital. Of course if you just want support for more archers...

If anyone is remotely interested in my favorite traits in order:
Indutrious, Militaristic, Expansionist, Commercial, Scientific, Religiois.

	04-04-2003 20:45									#9
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At one time Commerical was the worst traight. But it's been improved substantly and now Scientific is currently the worst overall. (Not nearly as bad as Commerical used to be.)

Expansionist depends upon the map. It's horrid on archepello + lots of water + more than normal max civs packed in. It's the best traight for Pangena + little water + less than normal max civs.

Single Player ratings:

1. Industrious
2. Religious
3. Commercial
4. Expansionist (on average)
5. Military
6. Scientific

In Multiplayer, where there is no WW and in addition, anarchy is shorter, Religious drops to just above Military.

	04-04-2003 21:13									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Nor Me OPD, what map? On standrad continents, I think the mean is over 1 settler. It's just that they might not be close to your capital. Of course if you just want support for more archers...

standard pangea

As it will tell you in the strat forum and anywhere else this is discussed the strength of traits depends on the situation and the kind of game you play. It's just that with exp alot is left to chance. I like to pick random civ and then let the traits decide how I should play the game but I restart if I get certain civs. *cough* *english*.

	05-04-2003 10:20									#11
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Expansionist and Scientific.

Cathy and the Russians.

	06-04-2003 07:34									#12
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*explodes*

	07-04-2003 05:32									#13
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hi ,

military

have a nice day

	07-04-2003 23:03									#14
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scientific.


I NEVER had problems with expansionistic.