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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:27
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If you think about it fast, many would say yes. When Baghdad is in control, it would be victory, and then there would be small series of fighting stubborn troopers in remote locations, but nothing big.
But are we being fooled? What if.. just what if Saddam has thought about this (and he obviously has), and Baghdad wouldn't be the key in defense etc. It would be defended hard, but not all out defending. Just to make it look so. Obviously they don't stand a chance of keeping Baghdad, so why force it? It's a place to inflict serious damage to coalition sure, but what if they have their real pressure poinst etc elsewhere? Don't give me that satellite thing, what if there are plans, that takes it into account, and they would actually show some surprising strategies, winning tactics. What do you think?
I think it could very well be so, at least I'd give it a hard thought if I was in charge of defending the country.
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Kontiki
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Canada
Aug 2001
time: 00:27
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No chance. Baghdad is the key from a symbolic standpoint and, more importantly, by far the easiest place to defend. It's tremendously built-up, allowing for the maximum amount of ambush spots, the best chance for street-to-street fighting to neutralize the tech advantage (as much as it can be), and the hardest area for the coalition to keep civilian and their own casualties low. Trying to make a stand somewhere else would be stupid.
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Pyrodrew
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Is Bahdad really the key? |
That's where Jeannie's bottle is according to Major Nelson. Hopefully they can get it back from her relatives before a crazy predictable plot happens.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:27
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Frogger, Iraq is a big country. Though desert areas would not be a real choice, because of those satellites and coalition cababilities to woop some butts in open areas.
Baghdad is a good place to actually fight the coalition, street fighting. Would give casualties to coalition, so it would be the thing to do even if it wasn't the capital.
They need surprise elements.. What if all Republican Guard is not actually there? Only maybe half of them, and the rest of the regular soldiers would be disguised as them, in Baghdad, making coalition think they are all there. Then when the assault begins, they'd fight to death, but they could try to start their own offensives at the same time in different areas, since coalition pressure is in Baghdad. Of course there are small groups doing it, but what if they would actually try something bigger? Maybe outflank coalition forces where they are weakest, from the back? Or attack weakest base, or area were coalition troops are located and make up big fights everywhere. I don't know, but I think it would be thing to at least try.
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Kaak
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i guess there would still be some rocks laying around we could shoot. other than those key rocks, i'd say baghdad is it...
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spiritof1202
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A few points
1) Saddam doesn't trust the regular republican guard to enter the environs of Baghdad- To avoid a coup. Only the Special Republican Guard and a variety of irregulars including a number of Fedayeen are situated in Baghdad right now.
2) The remnants of the Republican Guard don't have many choices except for surrender or death. They can't maneuver and they don't have the firepower to decisively fight their way out of anywhere.
3) Every mechanism of control comes to Baghdad. "All roads lead to Rome" is the quote that comes to mind
4) The coalition has very tight control of vehicular movement. If it moves above ground it can be seen. Moving in the open would be the biggest risk that Saddam could take. There are tunnels, but apparently, the special forces have already discovered the tunnel network.
5) The only real war that Iraq could fight is a war for world opinion. Irregular tactics, such as suicide bombing are strategically insignificant.
6) The Coalition has real-time information resources like unmanned Predators that the Iraqi's just don't.
Relying on a delaying defense is risky and ultimately doomed to failure for Saddam. They cannot resupply, or reinforce. Its just a question of time. How long and how many civilian casualties is the big remaining question. Will Saddam self-destruct... using chemical questions is an interesting question too.
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spiritof1202
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As to whether other Arab countries will actively get involved in a fight.... no. They understand that it would be suicide. Attacking means maneuver warfare and that means that US airpower could be brought to bear in ways that they couldn't withstand. Their armies would be decimated, and the regimes of those countries would then be vulnerable.
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Frogman
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Baghdad is the key. I never realized how desolate so much of that country is and there ain't a whole lot outside the cities. Saddam's own misinformation campaign will do him in. We take the city and people will know they have been lied to and they will no longer fear him.
That said, we still have to find the SOB and make sure he doesn't turn up again.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:27
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Well, that kind of limits the options. If those are in fact true, then there have been HORRIBLE mistakes at preparing.
Small can beat big. There are few key points what it has to do. They are not a big secret, but very important.
First of all, they need to break the enemies spirit as much as possible. That means sabotage, countless harrasing, making them slow down everywhere they go, exhaust them, give brutal lessons when they make mistakes, be nasty, have high moral yourself and make it seen that they have to kill every man if they want to win. Have a field day on back support lines all the time, make sure combat troopers don't get food, medicine, or sleep. Break the spirit!
Control the fights. Don't fight the big ones fight (which Iraq is doing, they desperately need to break the rule of this), fight your own fight, make the enemy to fight your fight. If you want to slow down, make the enemy want that too. You must decide what the pressure points are, out maneuver the enemy to make this possible. Choose where you want to fight big fights, and make enemies attempt of doing this obsolete.
You can't outpower the big one in firepower. So maneuvering is essential. It's not supposed to be fair fight anyway, so use every trick in the book to get the position to 'shoot the enemy in the back'. Make the enemies intelligence pick up wrong information, feed them with it. Infiltrate the enemy. Get right information, you must have good intelligence all the time or you can't play the game and outsmart the enemy.
And as a rule in combat, it's more effective to wound the enemy badly, than kill. Make them scream in pain, disable soldiers so others have to carry them back or try to help them, then shoot them too.
Don't shoot the point man, shoot the third guy for example. No one wants to be point man, but if no one wants to be third man either.. break the spirit!
Leave them with horrible images of their buddies suffering. 'I saw my friend die in my arms' is not so good as 'I had my friend scream in my arms for two hours before he was finally rescued, disabled for the rest of his life and with screwed up head'. They go back home, and tell what it was like, and not have funeral where they can't tell how bad it was. Spread lots of rumours. Break the spirit!
Make sure, that every time they think 'this was too easy?', they are right and what they feared for is about to come true.
Try to disable the advantage of high technology, if you are outpowered in it. Don't pick up the bodies of killed enemies, let them find it. Or you can just pick them up and pile them so that when they attack, they have to climb over them. They really want to get their buddies away from there, being piled up, so make sure they suffer even more when they try it. Make sure you're not getting overpowered.
Mah, I don't want to make this post longer, but small countries CAN give beatings to big countries. Just make sure the ones fighting REALLY don't want to be there, and that they give up their honor to serve their country because it is just so horrible they don't give a crap anymore.
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