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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
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Now, the "jew" comparison DOES work, and now that you and Agathon have danced around that one for 25 pages, perhaps you'd finally like to answer |
I answered it a long time ago. Go back and read it.  |
You did no such thing. You provided an anecdote about how, in the company of your group, a Jewish friend of yours tolerates the use of "jewed" as a synonym for "cheated." That doesn't prove anything.
We're talking about non-members of a particular group going around casually using that group's name as a synonym for something stupid/bad, in public settings. I doubt you'd dare use the "jewed" phrase in any such setting, would you? Do you think a teacher would be wrong to chastise a kid for using it? Does the group, who by and large do not condone the label's use as such, have no right to be offended by it? These are the questions you sidestepped, and then pretended your meaningless anecdote somehow covered your arse.
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:27
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
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It's a mistake to think that using the word "gay" as an insult is completely divorce from homophobia. |
It's not completely divorced, but I think it is for the most part. Homophobes are going to use it as an insult, but many people (myself included) who are not homophobes use the term and attach no ill meaning to it. It's just a part of contemporary slang... |
And how are we to distinguish which you are? This blows your "intent" argument out of the water, since you just proved the intent is ambiguous.
As I said a while ago, when I hear someone casually tossing around "that's so gay," "how queer is that," etc., the ol' defense mechanism kicks in. Considering the number of ******* bigots out there, it is a natural and, IMO, suitable reaction. It creates an instant atmosphere of mistrust, anxiety and separation. Now imagine how a closeted school kid would feel those emotions, and then you might just maybe understand what the problem is.
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Park Avenue
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Liberal and defender of freedoms for the people
Oct 1999
time: 05:27
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
And how are we to distinguish which you are? This blows your "intent" argument out of the water, since you just proved the intent is ambiguous.
As I said a while ago, when I hear someone casually tossing around "that's so gay," "how queer is that," etc., the ol' defense mechanism kicks in. Considering the number of ******* bigots out there, it is a natural and, IMO, suitable reaction. It creates an instant atmosphere of mistrust, anxiety and separation. Now imagine how a closeted school kid would feel those emotions, and then you might just maybe understand what the problem is. |
They aren't using gay as an insult, just as a way of describing something they don't find particularly appealing.
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:27
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like british
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:27
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isnt it though...isnt it? wait, it isnt!
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:27
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
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And how are we to distinguish which you are? |
Most people can comprehend context and derive proper word meaning from it. I guess your "defense mechanism" makes you unable to comprehend the English language. Sorry about that; you're going to have an unhappy life because of it.  |
Apparently you're forgetting your own statements, since as you yourself said--some people use it as a gay slur. Now, if I'm out and about and hear someone I don't know or just met shout out, "that's so gay!" I have no way of telling how he means it, do I? What "context" is going to make me know this is the guy who just uses it unthinkingly, or the one who uses it maliciously?
I can remember when I was in college and went to visit a friend on another campus. We went into her dorm's common room to watch some TV, and a couple of jock-looking guys were in there watching football. Something happened they didn't approve of, and out came the expletives: "Goddamn it, that stupid fag!" "****, that was so gay," etc. Why is it people feel the need to use homosexual terminology for expressing how bad something is? Think about it...the worst insults you make to people are calling them fag, queer, cocksucker, pansy, fairy, etc. You want to call something bad, you call it queer or gay. It's all variations on a theme: It's a bad thing to be gay, so calling something gay is the best way of expressing that something is bad. Considering the plethora of such phrases out there, the argument that it isn't related to homosexuality is just plain bullshit, and the rational people can see that.
I'm not going to be unhappy, I'm just not going to put up with people around me using gay as a negative statement. I don't feel any compunction to tolerate the further association of homosexuality with what is bad, nor to coddle unthinking morons who don't comprehend the impact of the words they're saying.
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