04-04-2003 09:34									#1
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To be edited by the Consuls and Ministers.

Status:
- Researching Warrior Code at 80%, ready in 6 turns.
- Luxury Slider at 20%
- 26 gold cash, -3 gpt.

Urgent questions:

Military:
W2 'BigFree' moves 3 or 6? We cannot go 2 without violating the NAP.
W3 'Alva' moves 2 or 6?
W4 'BFW' fortifies most likely.
W5 'Theseus' fortified in Apolyton. Looks hungrily at a barb.
Settler builds city. Mingapulco?

Economy:
luxury slider to 0%, research slider to 100%

Workers
Worker Dan chopping forest (2).

Diplomacy:
CDG: NAP in effect. Tech swap in effect; we give WC and Wheel for IW.
GCA: NAP in effect (fm Turn 29). Negotiating future tech swap.

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Discussion and basic reporting to follow. See the topped thread for comprehensive results.

	04-04-2003 09:53									#2
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Last edited by Trip on 05-04-2003 at 00:07

	04-04-2003 10:02									#3
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We attack the barb if he moves into the open. right?

	04-04-2003 10:04									#4
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Yep. If he moves adjacent to our Worker in an open tile, attack with the unit farthest away (that can reach), making sure to keep a unit in Apolyton.

	04-04-2003 10:05									#5
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Excellent.

Stewed barb. It may be just about time the tables turned.

	04-04-2003 10:31									#6
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MOW orders changed for W3 'Alva' after viewing the save with my game.

	04-04-2003 10:35									#7
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No time to run some tests tonight. I should have some proposals done in time for the next turn.

Let me take this opportunity again to state that the "move Worker to Forest" was a fine on-the-spot decision, given our current situation.


Dominae

	04-04-2003 12:42									#8
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That was vondrack. We agree about most things, but he popped that idea.

	04-04-2003 12:50									#9
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Just make sure that those 10 chopped shields come at the right moment..!

	04-04-2003 18:25									#10
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I am frightened. For the first time I agree with *every single thing* going on this turn.

	04-04-2003 20:03									#11
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We must be doing something wrong, then...

	04-04-2003 20:04									#12
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster We must be doing something wrong, then...

Nah, I think it's just that we're attacking something.

	04-04-2003 20:21									#13
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Blood makes the grass grow!

	04-04-2003 21:13									#14
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Why is Alva going east?

	04-04-2003 22:02									#15
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Because there's nothing to the south.

	04-04-2003 23:08									#16
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Nothing E either. Still a (very) slight possibility it's a landbridge S. We will uncover all that blackness the same speed either way... but would you rather Alva ends up his journey at the S tip of the land, or at the N edge of the blackness in the area?

	04-04-2003 23:24									#17
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There might be something to the Northeast.

As you can tell from the following image...



... There's nothing to the south, while there may very well be something to the northeast. More than to the south at least.

	05-04-2003 00:01									#18
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There's at least 1 tile S you aren't accounting for that we can't see and can't rule out that land continues from it.

Are we going to explore the S land? If so we save Alva turns by doing it now. NE is almost certainly just Jungle to the coast, which we see anyways when Alva heads back to Apolyton. We get back to Apolyton (or anywhere we head after clearing the blackness in the area) faster by going S now, then heading back. It's a geography forced double back on ourselves, no need to add a second and third that are avoidable.

	05-04-2003 00:06									#19
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I suppose we can afford to move one more tile...

	05-04-2003 00:12									#20
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Ministry of the Interior thread updated with a very tentative queue up to turn 43. Everything from turns 33-35 should remain the same, though.

Apolyton: Finish Warrior, Settler, Settler,
Mingapulco: Warrior, Numidian Mercenary, Worker
City2: Granary

Should we even throw in the NM into these early queues? I imagine we could get a lot better protection during these next few turns with just some Warriors. The alternative I'm thinking of puts Mingapulco on: Warrior, Warrior, Worker, Numidian. We really do need those Workers fast, as unimproved Grasslands are not what we want to be working...


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	05-04-2003 00:12									#21
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I guess I agree with Aeson on this one... one more move to the South will most probably unveil the rest of the land towards the South... and we'll waste no time "checking" it later. A very similar thing happened to Lego - we sort of ignored one last shrouded tile on our coast, "'cause it was obvious there was nothing there". Later, we found a narrow isthmus leading to a large peninsula there...

	05-04-2003 00:58									#22
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I think city 2 is better off building a Warrior/Warior/Worker and then start the Granary. The city is going to grow while building the Granary, and 1 Worker improving terrain for 3 cities (shortly to be 4) just doesn't cut it. Better to lose the half pop by building a Worker now, as it will pay off in production and commerce by the time the Granary is done. The extra Warriors will help too.

	05-04-2003 01:57									#23
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At SOME point we DO still need to get some Mercs moving.... Persia very well might still be thinking aggressive thoughts. Let's not be lulled into complacency- Warrior v Immortal is NOT a good combination. This isn't a computer opponent we can count on to go for settler globbing early on.

	05-04-2003 03:17									#24
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I agree. I would rather have a Merc now. I also think we should move S now. that barb is no danger to us.

	05-04-2003 03:21									#25
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I lean towards an NM early also. We have more to fear from Persia than we do from a couple barbs.

Of course, my impression of the situation may change if we lose another Warrior attacking this barb...

	06-04-2003 01:01									#26
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We cannot possibly 100% predict what Persia will do with their abilities to create Immortals. But it would be pretty silly of us to expect them not to use them at all. We are privy to the knowledge that they picked Persia mostly for that trait; they said so in their own public forum.

Lot's of archer's to attack with or NM's to defend with is our only hope if CDG should chose trouble with APO instead of GCA.

	06-04-2003 05:38									#27
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Status:

The barb near Poly is gone. WTheseus eats well tonight at the feast.

We have earned a palace improvement.

Elucidean Morris the Warrior shows up 7 from Walva. Barbs at 6 and 3.

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Actions:

Setter founds Mingapulco. Working mined grass.

Luxuries set to 0. Research to 100%. WC in 4 turns. defecit -1.

BFW fortifies in Mingapulco.

Walva moves 2. Sees not much remarkable.

Wbigfree moves 6. Sees mountain 3 3 and 3 3 4. GCA border 3 3 4.

Mil Advisor Comparison:
vs CDG, average
vs GCA, weak

	06-04-2003 06:04									#29
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Was Morris the Warrior the one we spotted South of our Capitol a while back?

	06-04-2003 06:05									#30
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree Was Morris the Warrior the one we spotted South of our Capitol a while back?

Yes.

Looks like they headed the same direction as we did...