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Shall Trip as Historian be granted access to our private forum?
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| White - Yes, I approve his request |
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36.36% |
| Black - No, Veto! One vote is enough to deny access |
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| Abstain - I don't care |
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63.64% |
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11 voters |
100% |
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Sir Ralph
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Long live teh Schwampel!
Dec 2001
time: 06:27
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Well, everyone knows Trips request. Most of the other teams seem to have approved him. We have discussed this matter a while ago, but AFAIK came to no result, and even if we did, we missed to tell Trip about it.
I just received this message:
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This PM is an official request from myself, the PTW DG Historian, to be allowed access to the GS forum for purposes of recording and detailing the events that occur during the progression of the PTW DG. You can find the thread where I outlined my official proposal here.
Currently, I have access to the Vox, Roleplay and Lego forums, and in 2 days I should have access to GoW, and 3 days for ND if things go as expected. The only team I have yet to hear from is GS. NYE has told me to mention that he approves of my request, and encourages the team to do the same.
I await GS' decision. |
Since it's basically the same like approving a new member, I put up this poll with the well-known 3 options. The question is, shall Trip have access to our private forum? Possible answers are
White - Yes
Black - Veto! (one black vote is enough to exclude him)
Abstain - I don't care
If after 48 hours there are only White and Abstain votes, Trip will be granted access. If there's at least one Black vote, access will be denied.
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asleepathewheel
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listening too long to one song
Mar 2002
time: 00:27
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I'm not sure that the white/black poll is the right way to decide this. I think a majority vote would be more appropriate. I think this because I am hesitant to be the veto, and I think others would as well, but are more likely to reveal their true feelings in a regular vote.
my .02 anyway
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DeepO
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supporting Candle'Bre
Jan 2002
time: 06:27
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You have a very good point, asleep. I don't want to be the veto either. But the system is designed that if a few members approve, and nobody is too much bothered, things can happen with less then a majority. Sometimes, that is a plus. Generally, I like the system for allowing members in, but Trip entering is bound to extra conditions.
However, I don't want to vote black here, as I principally like the idea. Further, I think Trip really will do all in his power to make this a success, meaning he will try not to influence the game. I'm hesitant because I'm not convinced that even if he tries, he can avoid spilling any secretive information to the public. We can't foresee what type of information a team is waiting for, and how could Trip? He can't read all the minds of the players...
So, abstain from me. But in case nobody really objects against this, I would say: welcome, Trip! Enjoy the read 
DeepO
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DeepO
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supporting Candle'Bre
Jan 2002
time: 06:27
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Nathan, maybe that's how it works in the US, but in Belgium (and as far as I know the rest of Europe too) that's not how abstention works. You will need a majority of half the parliamant to approve a law. Because we are in a multi-party system (our government consists of 6 parties, another 8 or so are in the opposition), sometimes you get in the situation where people from the opposition agree on a law, but don't want to support it, because that would be support for the current government and they don't want to do that publicly. In this case, they will typically abstain, so that if the government gets a majority without their help, the law will get approved.
This is different from voting against it, because if you vote 'no' and get into government next election, you typically want to revoke that law, and try to find a majority to recall it. If you abstained, you basically agree, and don't want to revoke a law, at most adapt it a little.
There are more cases where you want to abstain, most of them if you aren't convinced, or have no opinion but don't feel bad enough about it to oppose it. This is currently the case...
So, in short, if this was a Belgian majority poll, it would only get approved if half our members voted in favor of it. If some people abstained, or didn't vote, their vote would not be seen as an automatic 'yes', but as an automatic 'no'.
But no veto, of course, in Belgium, only one man has a veto: our King. And the last time he used his veto (because he refused to sign an abortion law out of religious concern), he was officially proclaimed as "incapable of ruling Belgium" for two days (in short, he was temporarily declared crazy, and not fit for his job)... politics can get weird in Belgium, the least you can say is that those guys are creative.
DeepO
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asleepathewheel
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listening too long to one song
Mar 2002
time: 00:27
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I would have voted "abstain" (I had to go out of town for a few days to a conference and waited too long to vote)
but knowing that the other teams have agreed and with NYE's faith, I would move to a tentative yes. I hate the idea of allowing someone to view our forum but the political ramifications would be too great I fear.
asleepathewheel goes to check his old lux posts for some editing
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