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CerberusIV
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Originally posted by MarkG
same thing happened a few weeks ago when UK arrested a Greek for connections with a Greek terrorist organization (17N) |
The Greek person you refer to has not AFAIK actually been tried yet. It is not good that he can apparently be held indefinitely without trial but at least he hasn't been stuffed with a jail term and a heavy fine after a joke of a trial.
There is a big problem with refugees trying to cross the English Channel by sneaking into the back of trucks. It is difficult for a lone driver to know if someone has sneaked into the back of his truck but drivers and their employers can be fined if they do not report any suspicions to the UK authorities.
The point here is that in the UK this driver would have had proper access to a lawyer and a qualified interpreter if needed and time for both a prosecution and a defence case to be put together. I suppose he is lucky this offence doesn't carry a death penalty in Greece or he might not be still with us.
If you follow one of the links on the source TheStinger quoted it leads to a story about a campaign for common judicial standards across Europe. Any prospect of having to raise their standards must worry the Greek authorities!
EDIT: I checked the links. The case of the Greek man is still ongoing. I do notice that there has been time for the Greek embassy to get involved in his case before the trial at which he can actually be convicted and sentenced. A slight difference!
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CerberusIV
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quote:
Originally posted by MarkG
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It is difficult for a lone driver to know if someone has sneaked into the back of his truck |
yes, it takes around 60 seconds to open a door and look into the back of his truck
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It then takes about another 60 seconds to walk back to the cab, start the engine and drive off, which is about fifteen seconds longer than it takes a bunch of refugees to open the back of the truck and climb in.
It seems there are two types of judicial system here. In one type a person can be arrested, then whether they are innocent or not is argued, then they are either convicted and jailed or released. In the other they are arrested, convicted and jailed, then their innocence or guilt is argued and they may eventually be released.
The difference is in the application of concepts such as "reasonable doubt" and "innocent until proven guilty".
Even if there is little practical difference, there is the problem of receiving a criminal conviction, even if rescinded, and the psycholgical difference between wondering if one will go to prison or if one will get out.
As for posting bail, I commented on the fact that some of the planespotters are still trying to get their money back. It also assumes that he can raise the money, which may be more difficult if it will never be seen again once paid.
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Worthingtons
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Pride Park,Derby
Jan 2002
time: 05:27
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Yeah, for some reason he's been allowed back on here... perhaps it's one of those 'I'll not reply so they cant draw me into thier troll' efforts - although thinking on an opportunity to turn it around on the UK while not having the thread himself will be too good to resist.
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Ozz
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Canada
Mar 2002
time: 05:27
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quote:
Originally posted by CerberusIV
For the country credited with inventing democracy and many of the ideas used in the modern state the greeks don't seem to be very good at implementing them.
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They didn't invent democracy, the Iroquois did, the US
constitution is based on Iroquois culture not greek.
The greeks invented philosophy, cause they were and
are forever arguing.
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04-04-2003 15:15
Quality stuff stinger... i thought that kinda stuff only happened in the UK
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