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I agree. It is too bulky for the start. Who needs RA's when there is only 1 city, etc. We should use a simplified of the existing one until it become pratical to use the "real" one.
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dejon
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Similar to what the RP PtWDG team is doing, we could simply name the 'President' our Despot, and add the rest once we hit Republic.
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Aggie
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Of GOW's half of BOB
Jun 2002
time: 23:27
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MWIA, i suggest we go with suggestion #2. For the first part of the game it will do. As far as the constitution goes lets have 5 positons Pres,VP,Domestic,Foreign,SMC
However, may I suggest that the Prez be a "strong Pres" until at least monarchy. He and all the other must get elected, but other than that can do as desired. This doesn't have the checks and balances of a true "constitution", but in the end elections are the true check and balance on a leader. I actually would propose the following.
1) Until monarchy other elected postion are advisory
2) During Monarchy the leader must take their advice but they can do as they desire.
3) In republic we basically bring in a full constitution.
I do suggest a no confidence vote as an option to remove a leader in the early game, kind of a coup.
Aggie
Last edited by Aggie on 07-04-2003 at 07:19
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:27
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quote:
Originally posted by Aggie
MWIA, i suggest we go with suggestion #2. For the first part of the game it will do. As far as the constitution goes lets have 5 positons Pres,VP,Domestic,Foreign,SMC
However, may I suggest that the Prez be a "strong Pres" until at least monarchy. He and all the other must get elected, but other than that can do as desired. This doesn't have the checks and balances of a true "constitution", but in the end elections are the true check and balance on a leader. I actually would propose the following.
1) Until monarchy other elected postion are advisory
2) During Monarchy the leader must take their advice but they can do as they desire.
3) In republic we basically bring in a full constitution.
I do suggest a no confidence vote as an option to remove a leader in the early game, kind of a coup.
Aggie |
hi ,
so , in short , we risk facing a despot till a king , ......
no thanks , we should be democrazy all the way  from the start
have a nice day
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MrWhereItsAt
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New Year's Resolution: 2005 is the year of Where It's At - come get some.
Nov 2001
time: 17:27
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quote:
Originally posted by Aggie
MWIA, i suggest we go with suggestion #2. For the first part of the game it will do. As far as the constitution goes lets have 5 positons Pres,VP,Domestic,Foreign,SMC
However, may I suggest that the Prez be a "strong Pres" until at least monarchy. He and all the other must get elected, but other than that can do as desired. This doesn't have the checks and balances of a true "constitution", but in the end elections are the true check and balance on a leader. I actually would propose the following.
1) Until monarchy other elected postion are advisory
2) During Monarchy the leader must take their advice but they can do as they desire.
3) In republic we basically bring in a full constitution.
I do suggest a no confidence vote as an option to remove a leader in the early game, kind of a coup.
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A nice idea, Aggie, and one I would hope works early on.
I had feared a negative reaction from those in favour of a strong Constitution from the start, but it appears as if no-one is opposing ideas along your lines. So perhaps this is what we do - start with your idea, but refer to the Constitution we have as the guide for actions. Polls must be placed up for decisions, but we are allowed some leeway in the case of an emergency. A no-confidence poll option should be available against Government officials who are deemed to not be doing their jobs, and by the time we have the option of a more representative government we develop a more representative legal document governing how to run our nation.
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Kloreep
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of the pillow
Jun 2002
time: 00:27
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Yes, I was a little vague, sorry. I meant to say I want the powers distributed throughout the government from the start; it's okay to give the Prez power, but I see no reason to concentrate all the power on a few people, as I see Aggie's monarchy suggestion. If anything, the early game is when we can poll the most and have the power most spread out, since not only will decisions not only come by the truckload as they will when we have 25+ cities, but those decisions will be important and should be decided on by the team.
Of course, a good Prez will pay attention to the people anyway, but I'd like to see this game run under the same basic system as the last. Citizen polls should be binding, etc.
Anyway, reading your post again MWIA, I realize you aren't suggesting anything more radical than no Con, which I can go along with, so I'll stop standing on a soapbox made of air now. 
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05-04-2003 00:31
Doesn't matter whether or not we have a Con from the start, but this game should live up to its name.
This is certainly my intention, and I hope the intention of the 1st Government as well. If elected President ( 
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