05-04-2003 08:53									#1
	800bc (88): Orders, Results, Discussion Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Zaragoza will finish a sword this turn, what should we build next?

Also, should the Cutting Edge group go out and become elite? #3 has been made elite already thanks to our barbarian friends.

	05-04-2003 19:46									#2
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800 bc public works
all surfs are continuing previous orders

Arneleos mine at Toledo 15
(turn 3 of 12)

Ruby_Maser irri Vigo 9 (Santiago 16)
(turn 4 of 4)
next task s, irri Vigo 1

Visigoth irri Leon 4
(turn 4 of 4)
next task road in place

Dijon & Astrologix mine Leon 3
(turns 5,6 of 6)
next task move w,s to Leon 5

Several surfs will be completing this turn
short lookahead included above for convenience and discussion.

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800 bc Dukedom of Leon
no changes

wf
tile 4 floodplain currently being irrigated

food +3
box 10,11,12 of 20

shield 1 gross yielding 1

building worker
shield 4 of 10
queue empty

Manuel de Leon

	06-04-2003 01:56									#3
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Military orders :


Madrid Exp W and upgrade to "Madrid Expedition" swordman

Cutting Edge 3 moved N, W
Feos SE, S, SE (will promote fighting barbarians)
Cutting Edge 2 S
Cutting Edge Guard, N, E, SE
GuObs if healed, SE
BCN warrior NE
First Rider E, SE
Watch Rider NE, N
Bulger W
Jungle E
Send one of the Santiago Chargers to Leon
Send Leon Guard to Pamplona
Send the vet Settler Guard in Pamplona to Leon and rename it Cutting Edge Guard 2

Zaragoza swordman renamed Cutting Edge 4, SW, SW and fortify. Next in queue : swordman.

Because we should always have a swordmen division ready to attack, I wouldn't send all our swordmen to fight against the barbarians in order to promote. Currently we have sent Cutting Edge 2 and Feocalvos to this purpose.

Don Pelayo Astronicus


Barcelona : no changes

Don Pedro de la Alcantarilla

	06-04-2003 05:41									#4
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I have the save, but I am leaving the house shortly for dinner. I should be back @10pm EST. Please meet in the chatroom and as soon as I return, we will do the save.

--Togas

	06-04-2003 06:22									#5
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Pamplona: no changes...

	06-04-2003 06:42									#6
	Re: 800bc (88): Orders, Results, Discussion Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Togas Zaragoza will finish a sword this turn, what should we build next?

Won't be able to be in the chat, but I'm writing some sugestions about Zaragoza queue to be considered for the Governor and the ones who are available at the chat:

Currently, Leon is producing a worker. This worker will be finished in 7 turns (increasing production to 2 shields doesn't have effect because 1 shield is wasted). After that, a settler is intended to be built here.

This settler (however his final destination is) could be built by Zaragoza and Leon would build 3 workers instead of a worker and a settler.

And aditional reason to build a settler at Zaragoza is to speed up the race for the northern lands. I was willing to build the city west to the lake. Maybe that's too crazy, but this Zaragoza settler could go to any place on the north, to consolidate our lands and prevent ND from getting too much territory. And Pamplona settler would go to found a city at south.

After that settler Zaragoza would be again size 3, and would build one or two swordsman again.

However, the decission taken at this turn could be changed next one, so it is not definitive.

	06-04-2003 08:20									#7
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the following message was included with the save file from Ghengis Farb:

quote: We sent you our latest map with part of Lego and Vox's map. Don't let Vox know you got their map as they were somewhat skittish about trading it to us. GS refuses to trade maps with anyone including Vox which makes us all the more interested in what is down there. Lego looks to have a continent the size of Bob so the GS/Vox continent may be that large also, meaning GS has a huge chunk of land.

	06-04-2003 09:09									#8
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Results

GoW gave us their WM ... as they had a previous agreement with us to give us the Vox WM if they got it, and they did. Vox's WM shows a rather weak nation.

As an interesting note, GOW's exploration of Legoland reveals that they have a VERY large landmass ... and we most certainly need to get a WM exchange done with them as a part of our treaty.

Note how lousey Vox's land is, and note how close GS is to us.

There are Kassite tribes near Toledo (and Watch Rider will kill them next turn)

We are strong to all nations EXCEPT Vox, who we are average to. Vox has iron now (a colony) and has mass upgraded their warriors to immortals and is on the brink of going to war with someone ...

Either Vox or GoW has an embassy with Legoland, check the map.

GS now has iron & horses

Neu Dem is now a REPUBLIC

GoW still building Great Library. Lego still building Pyramids


Miliary:
Cutting Edge 4 SE, SE, FORT
Cutting Edge 3 N, W
Cutting Edge 2 S (barb is SE, SE!)
FeoSword SE, S, SE
GuObs SE
BCN warrior NE (barb to N, horseman NE, NE)
First Rider moves E, sees barb camp to SE, attacks it. Destroy it with no damage! 25g.
Madrid moves W, UPGRADES!
Jungle moves E
Bulger W
Watch Rider NE, E, right next to Barb camp!
Cutting Edge Guard N, E, SE
Charger moves to Leon, renamed to Leon Guard.
Old Leon Guard moves W, W towards Pamplona
Vet Spear in Pamplona moved NW, NW, W towards Cutting Edge group

no worker actions

cities:
Zaragoza is building a swordsmen. Do we want to change to something else?

Images posted HERE
--Togas

Last edited by Togas on 06-04-2003 at 09:18

	06-04-2003 10:25									#9
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One thing that Togas left out of the Report was that Prior to upgrading the Madrid Warrior to a Swordsman, We were Weak compaired to Vox and Average Compaired to Lego. And As Togas stated, with that 1 upgrade, we had become strong comaired to Lego and Average compaired to Vox.

E_T

	06-04-2003 11:05									#10
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We have 24 pop that is in 8 cities (average of 4 per city). with 5 pop as maximum and 1 pop as minimum.

We are at 100% taxes

Our Income is all from cities at 56

Our Expences are 53 from the following:
Maintainance = 5
Corruption = 13 (nationwide effected average of 23.2%). Santiago is currently the largest trade producer and their corruption is really hitting them fairly hard. This city will need a courthouse relatively soon, but not right now.
Unit Support = 17 (out of 33, 16 is currently free)
To Other Civs = 18 (8 turns of 10GPT to Lego, 17 turns of 8GPT to Vox).


We have 7 Gold in our Treasury an 3 GPT total Income.

E_T

	06-04-2003 19:27									#11
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quote: Originally posted by E_T One thing that Togas left out of the Report was that Prior to upgrading the Madrid Warrior to a Swordsman, We were Weak compaired to Vox and Average Compaired to Lego.

Weak compared to Vox? I guess we know what they've done with all that money from the other civs and the iron colony. Mmmm... this and their unfortunate situation suggests they are getting ready to attack. But... who?