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--"Fine. I nominate 1984 then."

Who does have final call on the genre-suitability, anyway? Seems like that's a little bit important with the new nomination scheme.


I would say it's up to the nominator to decide if his books fit into the theme or not, and not the person who picks the category. Che calls 'Dune' science fantasy, and I'm not sure I would agree with that categorization, but I can see why he would make it. It's a matter of perception really.

I say let people nominate what they wish. If you disagree, call them on it, but nominations should not be barred because someone happens to disagree with it.

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If it's up to me, I'd definately nix 1984. I think we should stick the definition so thoughtfully provided by Wraith. I don't think Ramo's nomination makes the cut either, at least not from his exposition.

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I'm torn between Bruce Sterling's Schismatrix Plus and Arthur C Clarke's The City and the Stars...can someone confirm whether or not either of them are cyberpunk so I can make my decision?

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1984 is not cyber. Sorry.

(Btw, as moderator, the call is mine.)

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--"1984 is not cyber. Sorry."

Heh. I doubt that was seriously meant as the nomination. I thought it was a commentary on my reaction to his earlier nomination

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Yeah, I'm not too sure about FUTD being "cyber" either.

Finally got a nominee: Bruce Sterling and William Gibson's The Difference Engine.

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I'm torn between Bruce Sterling's Schismatrix Plus and Arthur C Clarke's The City and the Stars...can someone confirm whether or not either of them are cyberpunk so I can make my decision?


Sterling definately is, don't know about Arthur C. Clarke. I've got a couple or three of Sterling's books, Islands in the Net, Globalhead (ownership of which is supposed to be a requirement of being L337), Mirrorshades (an anthology of cyberpunk short stories ), and The Difference Engine with William Gibson. He's kind of the "leader" of the cyberpunk movement.

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In that case, what do I nominate? Schismatrix Plus is kind of an anthology, which might disqualify it, but I don't know if the main bulk of the novel is published separately or not. Also, Plus contains all his Spacer/Mechanist writings, including Spider Rose which is actually so good I could nominate it by itself but which is too short...
So, anyway. Before I degenerate into completely inane ramblings. Can I nominate Schismatrix Plus? If necessary I can limit it to the main novel, Schismatrix itself.

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Oooh, cyberpunk! I love cyberpunk! I offer to the book club two novels by Bruce Sterling, one of my favourite authors. Forgive any spelling mistakes as I just foolishly drank a glass of wine without realising my headache medication contained acetominophen. The room is kinda spinning.

Holy Fire:
The 21st century is coming to a clse, and the medical-industrial complex dominates the world economy. It is a world of synthetic memory drugs, benevolent government suveillance, underground anarchists, and talking canine companions. Power is in the hands of conservative senior citizens who have watched their health and capital investments with equal care, gaining access to the latest advancements in life-extension technology. Meanwhile, the young live on the fringes of society, eking out a meager survival on free government issued rations and a black market in stolen technological gadgetry from an earlier, less sophisticated age.

Mia Ziemann is a ninety-four year old medical economist who enjoys all the benefits of her position. But a deathbed visit from a long-ago exlover and a chance meeting with a young bohemian dress designer brings Mia to an awful revelation. She has lived her life with such caution that it has been totally bereft of pleasure and adventure. She has one chance to do it all over. But first she must submit herself to a radical - and painful - experimental procedure that promises to make her young again. The procedure is not without risk and her second chance at life will not come without a price. And afterward she will have to escape a team of medical keepers. Hitching a ride on a plane to Europe, Mia sets out on a wild intercontinental quest in search of spiritual gratification, erotic revelation, and the thing she missed the most of all: the holy fire of creative experience. She joins a group of outlaw anarchists whose leader may be the man of her dreams - or her undoing. Worst of all, Mia will have to undergo one last radical procedure that could cost her a second life.


Distraction:
It's November 2044, an election year, and the state of the Union is a farce. The government is broke, the cities are privately owned, and the military is shaking down citizens on the streets. Washington has become a circus and no one knows that better than Oscar Valparaiso. A politcal spin doctor, Oscar has always made things look good. Now he wants to make a difference. But Oscar has a skeleton in his closet. His only ally: Dr. Greta Penninger, a gifted neurologist at the bleeding edge of the neural revolution. Together they're out to spread a very dangerous idea whose time has come. And so have their enemies: every technofanatic, government goon, and laptop assassian in America. Oscar and Greta might not survive to change the world but they'll put a new spin on it.

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For a rather more accessible take on Cyberpunk, I'd like to nominate this-

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos...2584800-6888465

"Mindplayers" by Pat Cadigan

I've read "Neuromancer" as well, and though I loved it, for wild imagination and storylines, "Mindplayers" is better.

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Only one, Starchild.

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Starchild: pick one, please.

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Oh like the rules apply to me....

Hmm....an artistic journey into the cultural stagnation facing a culture too smart, safe, and secure to live yet can't die or a political thriller about a nation that just stopped working? Why do I have to make the tough choices about such important matters?

I'd have to go with Holy Fire though. I've read it more often (a good seven times), it's more polished around the edges than Distraction, and it's accessable cyberpunk. More like a gentle introduction into the genre than the head-first-into-the-shallow-end-of-the-pool that Neuromancer is.

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Yeah, I'm not too sure about FUTD being "cyber" either.

Finally got a nominee: Bruce Sterling and William Gibson's The Difference Engine.


Isn't that steampunk?

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This isn't a nomnation, but has anyone ever been to Bruce Sterling's Dead Media Project website?

It's a collection of articles and essays on obsolete technologies collected from the Dead Media mailing list, and a very good backdrop for the cyberpunk "universe".

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Alright, here are the nominations as they currently stand:

Voice of the Whirlwind, by Walter Jon Williams, nominated by Wraith.

Snow Crash, by Neal Stephenson, nominated by Chegitz Guevara.

Diaspora, by Greg Egan, nominated by St. Leo. There's a bit of debate about this one, but if nobody really objects, I'll allow it in.

The Difference Engine, by Bruce Sterling, nominated by JohnT.

Mindplayers, by Pat Cadigan, nominated by Lazarus and the Gimp.

Holy Fire, by Bruce Sterling, nominated by Starchild.

Across Realtime, by Vernor Vinge, nominated by Ramo.

On My Way to Paradise, by Dave Wolverton, nominated by redbaron.

If I missed anybody, please let me know.

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Slowwhand, is that a nomination for Dreamcatcher, or just a recommendation?

Ramo, after a quick perusal of Fire Upon the Deep, I'm going to have to disallow it as not being cyberpunk. Sorry.

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In that case, I'll nominate Across Realtime by Vinge as well, which I think qualifies according to Wraith's definition.

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I'll nominate On My Way to Paradise by Dave Wolverton.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=books&n=507846

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I'll nominate On My Way to Paradise by Dave Wolverton.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=books&n=507846


Read the Amazon reviews for this book and tell me they weren't all created by the same person over a period of months.

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Added the last two noms to my list...

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Aaaargh. I really don't want to split the Sterling vote three ways, but Schismatrix is such a good book...
Oh, to hell with it. My nomination is Schismatrix Plus by Bruce Sterling. I'll dig up a blurb sometime tomorrow after I get back from badminton.

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Aaaargh. I really don't want to split the Sterling vote three ways, but Schismatrix is such a good book...

Muwahaha. Diaspora is going to win now.

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I've tried to read Neuromancer twice without success. It's very hard to suspend one's disbelief.


Same here...this book is just too strange, i gave up

Anyway, i don't know if you see it as cyber, but I'd nominate Brave New World from Huxley.

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No, BWN is definitely not cyber.

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Bumpin' this up... and who's the sorry bastuhd who gave this a 1 star vote?

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How can you miss: Johnny Mnemonic?

I could undertand Necromancer (1964) or Count Zero (guess from who) But Johnny Mnemonic? I thought this is a cyberpunk month.


Because I could nominate just one book It would be Johnny Mnemonic. Of course if novels counts
It's from William Gibson.

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Good nom, Raghar.

One of the things that you've might have noticed is that a lot of us (including the moderator) is not into cyberpunk. Couple that with the "one nomination per person" policy and some of the more "obvious" ones will be missed.

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How can you miss: Johnny Mnemonic?

I could undertand Necromancer (1964) or Count Zero (guess from who) But Johnny Mnemonic? I thought this is a cyberpunk month.

Because I could nominate just one book It would be Johnny Mnemonic. Of course if novels counts
It's from William Gibson.


Johnny Mnemonic is not a book as far as I know, but rather one of the short stories from Gibson's Burning Chrome collection, unless there is a movie novelization floating around somewhere.

The movie is based on this short story, but also seems to contain rather large chunks of Gibson's Virtual Light novel as well.

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Johnny Mnemonic is not a book as far as I know, but rather one of the short stories from Gibson's Burning Chrome collection, unless there is a movie novelization floating around somewhere.


My research reveals that there is in fact a novelization of the movie, written by Terry Bisson, an apparently once-promising sci-fi writer who mostly writes film adaptations these days.

Amazon Link

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Based on the short story and screenplay by cyberpunk pioneer William Gibson, Johnny Mnemonic takes readers into a desperate future where information is all that matters and everything else is cheap. Now a major motion picture starring Keanu Reeves.

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Ugh. That info makes for a difficult decision.

The fact that raghar nominated Gibsons Johnny Mnemonic instead of Bissons adaptation of the movie with the same name, makes me think he won't appreciate the Bisson book. I'll give him a PM and ask what he wants to do.

 
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