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Is this Stephen King's Dreamcatcher you're talking about? I'm not sure I'd call that "cyberpunk."
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Once upon a time, in the haunted city of Derry (site of the classics It and Insomnia), four boys stood together and did a brave thing. Certainly a good thing; perhaps even a great thing. Something that changed them in ways they could never begin to understand.
Twenty-five years later, the boys are now men with separate lives and separate troubles. But the ties endure. Each hunting season the foursome reunites in the woods of Maine.
This year, a stranger stumbles into their camp, disoriented, mumbling something about lights in the sky. His incoherent ravings prove to be disturbingly prescient. Before long, these men will be plunged into a horrifying struggle with a creature form another world. Their only chance of survival is locked in their shared past — and in the Dreamcatcher.
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La Ferté sous Jouarre France
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Not that I troll a lot around OT, but Stephenson's Snow Crash is indeed great. Particularly if you like computers. Stephenson is a great writer.
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Not that I troll a lot around OT, but Stephenson's Snow Crash is indeed great. Particularly if you like computers. Stephenson is a great writer. |
he has grat stories
and I like his imagary
but hir story coherancy sucks
of course, so do many other fine writers, like Zelanzy
Jon Miller
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raghar
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I wish somewhere else.
Oct 2002
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I didn't think that small book that I seen was done from movie. So lets nominate Count Zero. It was somewhat better that its prequel. Nice story somewhat more as story than just plaing with mood of the story.
Personally, I think Johnny Mnemonic the movie was crap.
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Originally posted by LDiCesare
Particularly if you like computers. Stephenson is a great writer. |
I agree Stephenson is a great writer, but when he tackles the subject of computers directly, I think he falls apart. I thought In The Beginning Was The Command Line was rather pedestrian and a little naive.
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Yeah. You seem to have chronic negativity going for you. |
I call them like I see them.
I thought Dreamcatcher was a decent read, but King should retire soon for his own good, unless he's got another The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon left in him.
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Originally posted by molly bloom
I'd like to nominate Richard Kadrey's 'Metrophage'- although all the Stephenson and Gibson and Sterling choices are equally appealing.
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Metrophage was good, similar to the work of Steve Aylett, who I also like. The complete text is available on line, as well (author released, not illegal).
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My problem with this is that Count Zero is the second book in the Sprawl series and the events in CZ spin directly out of Neuromancer. It'll be hard to understand this book without reading the first. (Of course, according with William Gibson, you need a degree in art theory to understand it anyway.  Sure, Gib, whatever you say... ).
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In case my comments come off here as harsh, this interview with Gibson is what I am referring to:
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WG: If I was doing a thesis on my work, I would try to figure out what the **** that Joseph Cornell stuff means in the middle of Count Zero. That's the key to the whole ****ing thing, how the books are put together and everything. But people won't see it. I think it actually needs someone with a pretty serious art background to understand it. You know, Robert Longo understood that immediately. I was in New York--I've got a lot of fans who are fairly heavy New York artists, sort of "fine art guys", and they got it right away. They read those books around that core. I was actually trying to tell people what I was doing while I was trying to discover it myself.
DW: It goes back to Postmodernism, to pieces again, and to making new wholes from fragments, doesn't it?
WG: Yeah. It's sort of like there's nothing there in the beginning, and you're going to make something, and you don't have anything in you to make it out of, particularly, so you start just grabbing little hunks of kipple, and fitting them together, and... I don't know, it seemed profound at the time, but this morning it's like I can't even remember how it works (laughs).
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He also claims Philip K. Dick has no influence whatsoever on him, but here is is using the Dick term "kipple". WTF?
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raghar
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I wish somewhere else.
Oct 2002
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Well Gibson has more of that. I dissagree with his talks about hackers. He seems to talk like writing books have no connection with this "problem", and he sides with police.
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Well Gibson has more of that. I dissagree with his talks about hackers. He seems to talk like writing books have no connection with this "problem", and he sides with police. |
Gibson's earliest work is his best: Neuromancer and most of the Burning Chrome stories.
Personally, I think Gibson is to science fiction what Anne Rice is to horror; they're both English Lit majors who couldn't cut it in the field of mainstream fiction, so they try to pass themselves off like they're geniuses slumming in their respective genres.
Gibson's early work is brilliant precisely because he knows almost nothing about technology. By his own admission he knew zilch about computers when he invented his ideas of "cyberspace" in Neuromancer. He'd never even used one.
Only later did he begin peppering his work with "higher" literary characteristics, which more than show why he didn't make it in that world in the first place. He became boring.
Gibson has taken on the role of self-appointed guru of the "cyber" generation (whatever that is), a position he doesn't rightfully deserve to have, bypassing people who have a genuine affinity for the technological world past present and future like Bruce Sterling.
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14-04-2003 18:09
I wish I had nominated a book so I could turn around and trash it. 
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