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Pro-War, non-Americans... what is your opinion of Bush? (Time out:0 days after 05-04-2003, 22:44)
He's a good president, doing the right thing!
He's a bad president, but I agree with his war!
He's a good president, but I don't like his war!
He's a bad president, and his war is wrong!
I have no opinion because I have a banana in my skull!
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Sava is offline Sava
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I'd like to get an idea of what Pro-War, non-Americans think of the American President. Specifically, I'm very interested to hear what our Israeli Poly Members think.

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Needs to make his speeches less of "we are the greatest nation in the world" type ones, even if he never quite says that as such.

After that, seems to understand world politics a lot better than many European leaders.

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he has to stop says: God this and heaven that and stuff like that...and everybody can say what he wants but I really think bush is not good for the world in the long run...

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After that, seems to understand world politics a lot better than many European leaders.
I feel sorry for Europe then.

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Being an American, I won't vote in your poll as you requested, but I think non-Americans will find it interesting to note that I am utterly embarassed that that moron is the head of our country.

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Aye.. Europe, or more to the Old Europe is really going down the pan (Italy,Britain and Spain are the good nations).

I think Bush is a decent geezer, and the World can feel safe with such a strong determined leader in charge.

Az is offline Az
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I honestly don't know what to make of him.

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Pro-war non-Americans - isn't that a contradiction in terms?

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I don't like Bush too much. I don't think he's evil or stupid, but I get a strong feeling that he is incompetent for the job sometimes. I don't know what it is, but my intuition says so. No offense guys

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sorry for defending bush in your thread sava , but bush is much smarter than you think. he may not be eloquent, hw may not deliever speeches as well as some former presidents, but he does know whats going on, and he knows what he has to do to get the job done.

also, remember he has a very capable cabinet surrounding him

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The sooner the US gets a different President, the sooner the rest of the planet will stop thinking "you want to be taken seriously and you elected him!!!"

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that might take another 4 years.

Sava is offline Sava
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Oh, I don't doubt the competence of the cabinet and people surrounding Bush... I doubt their morality. You have Cheney, a greedy little oil man. You have Rumsfeld, a somewhat pompus corporate type. You have Powell, probably the only decent moral person among them, but obviously a puppet. Some are career politicians who aren't qualified for the positions they hold (Tommy Thompson, Tom Ridge). And then you have the people in the background "advising" the president.... Karl Rove, Paul Wolfiwitz (sp?), George Bush Sr. (not officially, but you know good ole' dad is giving some advice).

I don't doubt that Bush "knows how to get things down", I doubt his ability to understand the world. Bush is not a "well-traveled" man. I don't think he understands how the rest of the world thinks, and I certainly don't believe he possesses the ability to look at things from other points of view. IMO, a good president is someone who understands what people think, how to get people to understand your point of view, and how to manipulate them to get things done. And to Bush Sr's credit, he knew how do that at least. Dubya has shown that he can get somewhat ignorant Americans to believe him... that's about it.

Bush might be qualified enough to be a governor... but he definitely does not even come close to being the kind of guy that should be representing the United States. For the Republican Party, he was just the best guy they had to beat Gore. And let's be honest, Bush didn't win... Gore lost (and no, I'm not talking about Florida)... Gore wasn't a charismatic person.

Even though I think Reagan was suffering from Alzheimer's, and I vehemently disagree with his politics, I think he was qualified enough to be a president. Bush Sr. was also qualified enough.

And that's the purpose of this thread, I wan't to know what non-Americans think about our dear president... primarily pro-War non-Americans because I have a good grasp of what our anti-War, non-American 'Poly members think.

Pekka is offline Pekka
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Well not saying anything about his cabinet, only talking about Bush himself. He has competent people around him, no doubt, I just wonder if he's compentet himself.

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Sava, if you asking pro-war non-Americans about their views on the President, why do you have options that say "His war is wrong"?

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that might take another 4 years.

Nah, history has shown that when a Bush wins a war, he gets voted out because people care more about their retirement funds than military success.

And although I think this jingoistic, nationalist furvor is strong; green is a stronger color than the red, white, and blue. "It's the economy, stupid!"

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Sava, if you asking pro-war non-Americans about their views on the President, why do you have options that say "His war is wrong"?


The thread is primarily aimed at Pro-War, Non-Americans. I don't want to exclude people from participating.

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Damn it! Why not?!

Exclusion is necessary

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He's ok, as long as we share interesests. I hope he doesnt expect us to return a favor by giving the Pals more than possible.

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we're doing him enough of a favor but not dealing out some action ourselves.

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Azazel, I have a new suggestion. Why don't be make 20 kilometers deep buffer zone between you guys, and make it vacation area for us? Winter came back

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It would be a great idea. Israel could easily track down possible terror attacks miles away, since no decent muslim would want to visit us drunk infidels, only the terrorists would have to cross our lands to get to you.

Naturally we would need some lands from you, and from Pals, but we'd pay moderate rent for it naturally, and we'd need lots of hotels and new infrastructure, so we could hire you guys, and we'd be bringing some serious cash in. I like it.

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You know that at a certain point, Israel's entire width is 14 kilometers or so.

You know, there is a package tour to go to the territories, and practice the defence of jewish settlements. You get trained in firing weapons, patrolling, etc. and some actual activity, for the meager cost of 5000 E.

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I would not like to be a tourist in Israel. Those Mossad clerks in immigration and emigration control are so humourless. I heard of a guy who's name was Israelsson who was denied entry just because of his name. They thought it was a fake.

They can't speak English either. When they ask "What is the purpose of your visit" and you reply "I am a tourist" they might interpret it as "I am a terrorist" and then you are in deep sh!t...

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I think he's okay, he would be better if he went after Syria, Iran and North Korea as well... all in due time I hope It's also good he's toning down on the "road map issue" too, because it's bound to fail. I like Blair's accent better though.

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Bah! No appreciation for the finer things of life.

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I would not like to be a tourist in Israel. Those Mossad clerks in immigration and emigration control are so humourless.

MOSSAD?!!!!

I guess you would be full of humor after sitting a shift doing the very original and non-repetetive job of looking at people's papers and then stamping them.

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The most trouble ever in airport to me in adult life was in Arlanda airport . That's in Sweden! They singled me out AFTER they had already checked my passport. This guy asked me questions for almost 15 minutes I swear because I almost missed my connection flight. It might have been due to the fact that I didn't remember the locks number in my luggage when they asked me, and I had to say that it wasn't even mine . Last damn time I'll ever borrow suitcase from anyone else. But they were pretty calm about it, but I'm sure they wanted to kill me all the time. 'Sir open your bags please' 'uhm uhm.. I can't remember the number' 'Sir, is this your bag?' 'Yes.. well actually no..' is enough to get you into trouble I'll tell you that much.

 
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