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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
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Nah sub-saharan Africa isn't that bad physically. There's oil deposits in the west and south (?), significant metal and mineral deposits throughout the continent, and the land is hardly un-farmable. The problem is the political situation in almost every African country (really the entire sub-continent except Nigeria and South Africa) is so bad that no business can flourish in the continent.
A little stability would do much to improve the life of the average African
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Jarvin
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America!
Jun 2002
time: 05:27
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(a) The US doesn't produce near enough to "feed the world" unless you consider Somali famine level of caloric intake to be the global average requirement. |
I dont recall where i heard this fact, so i'm not gonna go out of my way to defend it. But i think we can agree that America has quite a bit of food to spare.
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(b) The amount of unilateral US humanitarian aid is rather small compared to the overall US budget, or even US "military aid" to client countries. |
Why should we give food to countries when their army is just going to seize it for themselves. Look at N. Korea, we gave them a pile of food, and the army enjoyed it while all the civilians continued to starve.
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(c) Most other countries manage to do a fair job of feeding ourselves, thank you. The poorest have significant problems, but the Haitians, for example, can't really help their soil being permanently depleted from a couple of centuries of overplanting and one-cropping by their former colonial masters. And sub-Saharan Africa is just a shitty location to have a country in, but it's not like they can just abandon the whole area and move someplace else. The US doesn't do a hell of a lot to help those places, anyway. Look up the amounts, they can be found in public records. |
I never said it was their fault, i just said that we can help, and i think that it would be wrong for us to just drop some food on them and not only get nothing in return but to never even make sure the people who actually need it get it.
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Oh, and (d) The notion that the only way the rest of the world is going to get fed is to have the Great White Yankee Massa invade them is one of those things that makes Amurkins such a butt of jokes (in the nicer parts of the world) or objects of hatred (try saying that line in Cairo and see if you can run fast enough) in the not-so-nice neighborhoods. |
Here's where i have to get a bit nastier. Why the hell should i care what these countries think of me when they can't even feed themselves? I dont care that myself and my nation are either hated or laughed at. I never plan to leave, and they're too poor to come over here (in dangerous numbers anyway). I dont see why i'm expected to run crying at the thought of people not liking me anyway, it just seems juvenile.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:27
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Originally posted by The Vagabond
I see. This is exactly the answer I expected.  Actually any war of conquest between neighbors can be interpreted like this. |
Yes, but some of them are bogus claims, and there is only greed behind the claims rather than anything good. We have legal claims over the area, plus Karelia is in BAD condition now, we'd be doing you guys a favour for taking care of it since Russia has so big lands that it's almost impossible to cover everything.
I might also add, that there would not be any economical benefits for us in it, quite the opposite. And that is why the vast majority in this country doesn't even want it back, so in real life it will never happen. People only care about money... what about what's right? It would be a tribute to young men who fought and died there. They'd be rolling in ther graves if they knew that most people don't even care crap because it's in bad shape and would cost us much money. Yeah sure while we're at it, let's kill all the old people, they don't make anymore money to our society, they only sleep, piss their pants and eat. People care too little about what's right, and when there is something in it for them.
But I understand Russian claims too, and I'm little biased, so it's not like I'm 100% right in this matter.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:27
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Originally posted by Pekka
GePap, yeah sure, but they're being racist against us who don't have some stupid piece of paper that says 'good sir, you are permanent citizen'. They don't even give a second to other guys, our feelings are hurt since we're not wanted anywhere or belong to any place. We are left alone by these paper movers and damn byrocrats. |
racist, how?
A permanent citizen in this country does not have the right to vote, the right to run for office, and after the last few years, does not even have the same access to Government programs or to legal rights that a citizen has. Why then are they to bear the responsibilities of citzenship without the full benefits?
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Nope... I agree. It does depend on a number of factors. Its not absolutely objectional. |
Damn you for making me like YOU...ugh
Oh, and lancer, I am a naturalized citizen and I had to deal with the INS, so I know far more than you, at least from personal experience, about what it means to be an immigrant, and regular reasons why.
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Lancer
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Oregon Coast, USA! or Bohol, Philippines!
Apr 1999
time: 05:27
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Whooops
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The Vagabond
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of realpolitik and counterpropaganda
Jan 1970
time: 05:27
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Originally posted by Pekka
Yes, but some of them are bogus claims, and there is only greed behind the claims rather than anything good. We have legal claims over the area, ...
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Who will decide which claims are bogus and which are not? Who is the judge?
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plus Karelia is in BAD condition now, we'd be doing you guys a favour for taking care of it ...
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If so, then any time a richer neighbor conquered a poorer one, it would be justified.
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I might also add, that there would not be any economical benefits for us in it, quite the opposite. And that is why the vast majority in this country doesn't even want it back, so in real life it will never happen. People only care about money... what about what's right? It would be a tribute to young men who fought and died there. They'd be rolling in ther graves if they knew that most people don't even care crap because it's in bad shape and would cost us much money. Yeah sure while we're at it, let's kill all the old people, they don't make anymore money to our society, they only sleep, piss their pants and eat. People care too little about what's right, and when there is something in it for them.
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I agree with you in the sense that sometimes noble mission should be above money.
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But I understand Russian claims too, and I'm little biased, so it's not like I'm 100% right in this matter. |
OK, let's say you are 40% right. 
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06-04-2003 09:25
...anyway, this is a Lancer thread. I don't "troll". 
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