08-04-2003 11:05									#121
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Most of us are married.

Next question.

	08-04-2003 11:09									#122
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quote: Originally posted by Olaf Hεrfagre Very sentimental... Now, who will make a similar slideshow for all the Iraqi children your heroes have shredded? Here's a cool action picture to start with:

Wait, I don't get it. Why is he levitating in a weird position with one arm outstretched?

	08-04-2003 11:30									#123
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*imagines a levitating Saddam*

Great Trollthread.

	08-04-2003 11:40									#124
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Why is this a troll thread? This forum is kaput if it ends up being just a few American mods supervising a handful of Israelis plus stefu.

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	08-04-2003 11:42									#125
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel *imagines a levitating Saddam* Great Trollthread.

It is clearly a statue of Saddam, and, in addition, it looks somewhat like he's giving a Nazi salute. Olaf, are you seriously trying to compare the bulldozing of this statue, which is not only ugly, but made in the image of a dictator, to an attack on the WTC that caused thousands of deaths?

http://apolyton.net/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1893902

Is this supposed to be a horrendous war-crime?

	08-04-2003 20:23									#126
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior ... Is this supposed to be a horrendous war-crime?

No. If you read my post above, you will see that I referred to shredding of Iraqi kids, but for some peculiar reason, images of that is not allowed here. So instead, a symbolic Saddam statue would have to do. The link posted by Slowwhand contained dramatic action-pictures of 9/11, so I gave you a dramatic action-picture from Iraq.

	08-04-2003 20:33									#128
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If this forum ever got over 9/11 or the Iraq war, most people would have little to talk about.

	08-04-2003 20:37									#129
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9/11. Never forget. No way. No how.

	08-04-2003 20:38									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Why is this a troll thread? This forum is kaput if it ends up being just a few American mods supervising a handful of Israelis plus stefu.

Question asked and answered....

	08-04-2003 20:48									#131
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You people should do what I do. Come here for up-to-date news, check out the many links on the issue, read the different opinions posted, then after you've formed your own opinion, switch on FOX News and see what you were supposed to think.

RAH

	08-04-2003 20:50									#132
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand 9/11. Never forget. No way. No how.

I second that.

	08-04-2003 21:00									#133
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Well, in fact, the events after 11/9/2001 and specially the Israeli agression in Palestine and the current war in Iraq have gradually alienated me from the OTF. The place is unfortunately dominated by the American posters (specially the reactionaries) who act like they own the place and sneer at all voices of logic. Whenever I try to discuss these topics, I feel like shouting to a wall, which is a thing that I don't prefer to do, in comparison with living my real life. I can't even get to ignore the reactionaries in here, because I see views that come in such a contrast with common decency that it makes my blood boil and my tongue start cursing them.

To all sensible people in Apolyton I have to say that I'm really sorry that I am unable to keep up.

To the others, all I have to say is that I hope that they will be online, chanting "USA!" when the next suicide attack sends them to their death.

	08-04-2003 21:05									#134
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quote: Originally posted by axi To all sensible people in Apolyton I have to say that I'm really sorry that I am unable to keep up. To the others, all I have to say is that I hope that they will be online, chanting "USA!" when the next suicide attack sends them to their death.

I guess it's more sensible to hope that other posters die...

	08-04-2003 21:10									#135
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USA!

	08-04-2003 21:13									#136
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quote: Originally posted by axi To the others, all I have to say is that I hope that they will be online, chanting "USA!" when the next suicide attack sends them to their death.

Bastard. You wish our deaths because you don't care for our opinions?

Fvck you. Goddamn ideologues - what the hell is wrong with you people who place beliefs over humanity?

	08-04-2003 21:14									#137
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Axi, it is my profound regret that you are incapable of keeping up.
I don't know who said it first, but I agree.
Better to lose 3000 military members in combat of terrorism, than to have a building collapse and kill 3000.

Britain!

	08-04-2003 22:39									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Olaf Hεrfagre No. If you read my post above, you will see that I referred to shredding of Iraqi kids, but for some peculiar reason, images of that is not allowed here.

Dead bodies aren't allowed.
Live bodies and wounded are, as long as we there aren't too many guts and lumps of meat lying around.



from CNN

	08-04-2003 22:43									#139
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Bastard. You wish our deaths because you don't care for our opinions? Fvck you. Goddamn ideologues - what the hell is wrong with you people who place beliefs over humanity?

While I can understand your postion... there is no need to lower yourself down to the same level...

Let's stop the personal stuff NOW.

	08-04-2003 22:44									#140
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Also in Topped thread now.
Pity that Hussein put this boy at risk.

Jailed Iraqi children run free as marines roll into Baghdad suburbs
1 hour, 15 minutes ago
BAGHDAD (AFP) - More than 100 children held in a prison celebrated their freedom as US marines rolled into northeast Baghdad amid chaotic scenes which saw civilians loot weapons from an army compound, a US officer said.

Around 150 children spilled out of the jail after the gates were opened as a US military Humvee vehicle approached, Lieutenant Colonel Fred Padilla told an AFP correspondent travelling with the Marines 5th Regiment.


"Hundreds of kids were swarming us and kissing us," Padilla said.


"There were parents running up, so happy to have their kids back."


"The children had been imprisoned because they had not joined the youth branch of the Baath party," he alleged. "Some of these kids had been in there for five years."











Yes. The USA and Britain are certainly nation's of scoundrels.

	08-04-2003 23:01									#141
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what is going on

Παιδιά από πέντε ως δώδεκα χρόνων, γεμάτα θραύσματα και εγκαύματα. Οι μανάδες δίπλα τους με πρόσωπα απελπισμένα. Τα δύο νοσοκομεία της Βαγδάτης ασφυκτικά γεμάτα. Και οι γιατροί να μην προλαβαίνουν ν' απαλύνουν τον πόνο.

Children of 5 to 12 years old full of burns and shreds. Their mothers besides them with desperate faces. The two hospitals of Bagdat, insufferably full. And the doctours not being able to ease the pain.


http://www.enet.gr/online/servlet/dspphoto?id=50484


that's what journalists see with their own 2 eyes...

	08-04-2003 23:12									#142
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ΕΚΑΤΟΝΤΑΔΕΣ τραυματίες στοιβάζονται στα νοσοκομεία, τέλειωσαν τα αναισθητικά και ορισμένος ιατρικός εξοπλισμός, ενώ η πόλη γεμίζει πτώματα αμάχων

Hundrends of wounded are stacked up in hospitals, the anesthetic drugs are over as is certain other medical equipment, while the city is filling with dead bodies of non combatans (=civilians_

Η Βαγδάτη ξεψυχάει χωρίς νερό και φάρμακα
Bagdat is loosing its life (-soul - it dies) without water and medecins

ΒΑΓΔΑΤΗ


Δεν ξέρει πώς να προστατέψει τα παιδιά της η Ιρακινή μητέρα από τους βομβαρδισμούς στη Βαγδάτη
Συμμαχικό βομβαρδιστικό έριξε βόμβα στο κέντρο της Βαγδάτης και 14 άτομα, από δύο οικογένειες, σκοτώθηκαν. Από την έκρηξη δημιουργήθηκε κρατήρας πλάτους 15 μέτρων και βάθους οκτώ. Η βόμβα έπεσε σε τέσσερα σπίτια κοντά στη λεωφόρο Ραμαζανιού, στη συνοικία Αλ Μανσούρ. Εννέα από τους νεκρούς είναι μέλη μίας οικογένειας. Δύο είναι παιδιά.

The Iraqi mother does not know how (can't) to protect her children. Coalition bombarider (plane) threw a bomb in the center of bagdat and 14 people from 2 famlilies were killed. From the explosion a crater of 15 meter wide and 8 deep was created. the bomb fell on 4 houses near the boyulvard of ramazan in the district al mansur. 9 of the dead are members of one (single) family. Two are children.








just a part of another day in bagdat....

	09-04-2003 00:57									#143
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quote: Originally posted by rah You people should do what I do. Come here for up-to-date news, check out the many links on the issue, read the different opinions posted, then after you've formed your own opinion, switch on FOX News and see what you were supposed to think. RAH

As do I. Nice to see a voice of reason among the trolls.

It is fantastic to have the divergence of opinion that exists on the OTF here. Many, many insightful people bring life to both sides of a debate. For the most part, people try to stick to the facts and their views of them. As long as this continues, this forum should continue to grow (as Ming assures us it is.).

Axi, I truly hope that your comments were hastily done and not meant. Your statement is so far out of line that it can only deserve pity.

	09-04-2003 01:58									#144
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I didn't say I wish any Americans to die by suicide attacks. However hybris is always followed by tragedy and irony comes with it. When you have the audacity to support such a bloody agression with shameless lies, then expect the revenge of the despaired. And remember that pityless people do not get any pity back when they meet their fate.

I aknowledge that many Americans and other war supporters are being misled. But the stance of some among them is so audacious, that there is no explaination about it, other than a combination of sheer egoism and sadism, which are products of some unknown fascizing process.

	09-04-2003 02:01									#145
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Axi, to be brief and to the point; you don't know your butt from a hole in the ground.
Congrats on your membership in the Uninformed Yet Highly Opinionated crowd that has David and Che as officers.

	09-04-2003 02:10									#146
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Axi, to be brief and to the point; you don't know your butt from a hole in the ground. Congrats on your membership in the Uninformed Yet Highly Opinionated crowd that has David and Che as officers.

	09-04-2003 02:29									#147
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No wonder I rarely post OT, the great debates have come by and the old guard isn't that interested in regurgitating them every time a new poster brings them up.
During the last two years the standpoints also have become more extreme and less understanding. In fact, OT is turning into a Newsmax-light before my very eyes. Were it not for goodnatured posters with some wit like AH and a select group I wouldn't even bother to check out OT at all.

	09-04-2003 03:08									#148
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Also in Topped thread now. Pity that Hussein put this boy at risk.

How by letting him live in Iraq?

Please do not forget who started this invasion.

quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand "Hundreds of kids were swarming us and kissing us," Padilla said. "There were parents running up, so happy to have their kids back." "The children had been imprisoned because they had not joined the youth branch of the Baath party," he alleged. "Some of these kids had been in there for five years."

"He alleged", not 100% truth, in other words.

Beware of the propaganda. It works both ways.

quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Yes. The USA and Britain are certainly nation's of scoundrels.

We are just as much scoundrels as any other nation on earth...

	09-04-2003 03:51									#149
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quote: Originally posted by axi I didn't say I wish any Americans to die by suicide attacks.

Really? Then explain the alternative meanings to the following quote by you:

quote: To all sensible people in Apolyton I have to say that I'm really sorry that I am unable to keep up. To the others, all I have to say is that I hope that they will be online, chanting "USA!" when the next suicide attack sends them to their death.

Ming said not to get personal, and I won't: frankly, there's no need to when you aptly demonstrate yourself, quite beyond any reasonable doubt, that you are a liar and a sociopath.

	09-04-2003 04:38									#150
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I have found that this war makes for difficult discussions in real life. I'm trying to get my head around it, so I can't help bringing it up (unlike religion or general politics). But then, I typically regret discussing it as differing views generally just result in ill-feeling and little increase in understanding.

At least with OT, you get a bit further - though I've just decided to make entries in my ignore list for the first time.