07-04-2003 19:33									#1
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ok who all can make it atleast saturday at 22.00 GMT?

and who all can be at one somewhere this week (thursday or wednesday come to mind)

	07-04-2003 20:49									#2
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I can do Wednesday and Thursday night, I don't have school until ten on Thursday and noon on Friday.

Saturday 2200 GMT is possible as well, and I really hope we could do two chats this week, if the orders we have allow that, since we are seriously bogged down.

* Kassiopeia wanders off to edit in the new research orders *

Last edited by Kassiopeia on 07-04-2003 at 21:11

	07-04-2003 23:44									#3
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If no one is available for chats, I suggest we finish this game asap, and start a new one, on a smaller map.

	07-04-2003 23:57									#4
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do one this week, 20.00 ish perhaps, and on saturday. i can make saturday, but during the week is iffy.

	07-04-2003 23:59									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac If no one is available for chats, I suggest we finish this game asap, and start a new one, on a smaller map.

Good point. The game is currently really bloated, I can only begin to imagine the work the governors have to go through. And we have the game in the bag anyway.

Though, starting a new game might not solve the chat attendance problem. Some just can't make it, since they clinge to this silly religion-like thing called RL.

	08-04-2003 00:07									#6
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quote: Though, starting a new game might not solve the chat attendance problem.

I know. I just use every fictitious reason I can come up with to end this game and start a new one on a smaller scale. With less work, at least more people could be interested in filling a position. At least I would. I can no longer have a position with lots of work in this huge game, as exams are approaching in 50 days.

	08-04-2003 00:59									#7
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I agree. End this, and start a smaller one. As for chats, I can probably do Saturday, but Friday this week, and all midweek evenings are out for me, with school. Although Easter Hols nest week, so I'll either be out, or available.

	08-04-2003 01:31									#8
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Well, I got my new connection at home this week, and I'm useing up all my holidays, so I can finally make a chat, at practically any time. Can someone please tell me how, as if I was a complete idiot. That way there's at least a small chance I can get it right.

BTW, we should finish this ASAP, before we start a new one. I propose doing 10-15 turns per chat? And automating all the formers? That'll speed things up.

-Jam

	08-04-2003 01:48									#9
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quote: Originally posted by War of Art I propose doing 10-15 turns per chat?

It'd be a bit taxing on the directors and govs to come up with enough orders for 15 years, particularly tech-wise (we'd get at least 7 techs in 15 years, woe unto the DoSci who has to cram that into a poll) ... also, 7 turns typically takes 4-5 hours in the chatroom, and we don't want to work DBTS or GT to death

quote: And automating all the formers?

the things would go bonkers and tear the planet apart, most likely, while succeeding in doing absolutely nothing useful ... well, we could put a bunch of them on auto-remove fungus, provided we didn't care what happened to them.

	08-04-2003 12:00									#10
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I can, as always make it to 2200 GMT, and I'll be able to attend basically any day next week, as it will be school holidays

	08-04-2003 12:16									#11
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Well I hope to be there. My g/f has a few 21sts and I get the feeling that we will get the mocking of our lives if we turn up together. Hence I will be at home Sunday morning. Mine, not hers.

Wait.. .... I don't know how to feel!

	08-04-2003 12:22									#12
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OK, maybe I'm a real dumbarse (don't say it) but how exactly does one get to the turnchat? I'm kinda hoping to make it for the first time ever. :begging:

(Also with my new connection at home, I'm up for PBEM with anyone who's interested.)

	08-04-2003 12:27									#13
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First question about the chat: do you have mIRC? If so, just log on to the apolyton server (instructions are psoted somewhere around here), and join channel #smacdg.

	08-04-2003 12:29									#14
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No, but I'm sure I can DL it somewhere. Is it the Java Applet you get offered when you click on chat? A links would be lovely.

-Jam

	08-04-2003 12:59									#15
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http://apolyton.net/misc/chat/irc.shtml

This should contain the information you want (including how to DL mIRC).

	08-04-2003 13:17									#16
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Thanks.

-Jam

	08-04-2003 13:37									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Cedayon (we'd get at least 7 techs in 15 years, woe unto the DoSci who has to cram that into a poll)

* Kassiopeia points in the general direction of the last tech poll *

I got us a preferred order for nine separate advances for the next turnchat*. I'd be more worried about the governors' workload.

* Kassiopeia takes a large black briefcase *

Now I'll be off to Terminal Dogma to direct the creation of the United Nations Special Agency NERV, which is dedicated to research on the fields of Digital Sentience, Biomachinery, and the Homo Superior.

* not to say we'll be likely to advance that much

	08-04-2003 14:28									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia * Kassiopeia points in the general direction of the last tech poll * I got us a preferred order for nine separate advances for the next turnchat*. I'd be more worried about the governors' workload.

Yes, but that is only looking 1 tech in advance. Imagine if we wanted to make a beeline for a particular tech, and so had to work maybe 4 in advance. Ie. the vote would have to include all techs we can get now, and all we can getb within 4 steps. It'd need about 40 or 50 options

	08-04-2003 16:03									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue Yes, but that is only looking 1 tech in advance. Imagine if we wanted to make a beeline for a particular tech, and so had to work maybe 4 in advance. Ie. the vote would have to include all techs we can get now, and all we can getb within 4 steps. It'd need about 40 or 50 options

If we wanted. The person who wants to, can take the job of the DirSci and set up that huge array of polls. But yes, point taken - not too feasible. I could try it out though. Let's see, within 15 turns we can go seven steps forward at best. We could give the DirSci the liberty to trim down the array of choices a bit. Besides, we don't even have more than over 25 technologies left to research... though the routes to them would be over 50 in numbers, agreed. It wouldn't be too complicated for the Director, but the voters might get a headache.

Edit - I've just had a course on statistics and probability, I wonder if anyone has calculated the number of different paths one can take on the route to Transcendent Thought 1. Sounds like hard work, since some techs lead to three or four new ones, while some lead to only one.

	08-04-2003 16:05									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia Now I'll be off to Terminal Dogma to direct the creation of the United Nations Special Agency NERV, which is dedicated to research on the fields of Digital Sentience, Biomachinery, and the Homo Superior.

I hear you've been having problems with your test subjects used for developing the Homo Superior. That'll learn you to use 14 year olds....

I often hear choral type music coming from Terminal Dogma as well - and what the hell is up with those large cross-shapes that cover the horizon occasionally?! You guys have a lot of NERV keeping me up late with your weirdness....

	08-04-2003 16:10									#21
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt I hear you've been having problems with your test subjects used for developing the Homo Superior. That'll learn you to use 14 year olds.... I often hear choral type music coming from Terminal Dogma as well - and what the hell is up with those large cross-shapes that cover the horizon occasionally?! You guys have a lot of NERV keeping me up late with your weirdness....

!

Khrm... I mean...

* Kassiopeia adjusts his eyeglasses and hides a large purple mecha behind his back *

Nothing serious And the problems are limited to only one fourteen year old test sub... err, member of the team. He'll agree to work sooner or later, I have family ties to him.

	08-04-2003 17:52									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia I'd be more worried about the governors' workload.

nowadays governors have less to do, seeing as all our terraforming is done, short of a few evil borehole projects and disappearing mountains. 15 turns worth of build queues shouldn't be hard. it's just that 15 turns would probably take about 10 hours, and we don't want to work out executives to death

if we have it at 22.00 though, how about DBTS plays for a little bit, then he can send the save to GT who'll then continue on? i don't imagine DBTS wants to stay up so late playing SMAC...

	08-04-2003 17:58									#23
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Actually, the main problem with build queues that I've encountered is just finding something to fil them with. The only things left at the moment of any importance are RAPs (which should be installed in most bases by the end of the chat), and after that, we have huge amounts of minerals and nothing to do with them except build crawlers, troops and SPs ad infinitum.

	08-04-2003 18:04									#24
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we're entering the end of the tech tree now, so facilities will start coming very fast. hab domes, nanohospitals, quantum labs/convertors, nanoreplicators, etc. will all come within a few turns of each other. i doubt we'll have trouble filling Qs.

	08-04-2003 18:07									#25
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Yes, but then we'll be having trouble figuring out what order to put them in, and who should get to rush what. Either they come too fast or too slow...

	08-04-2003 18:08									#26
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Troops!

	08-04-2003 20:33									#27
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A lull in the build queues should hopefully let our rushing cash reserves build up a bit (barring *ANOTHER* energy crash ), so we can rush, say, hab domes like crazy... we should have the Vats soon, and that combined with hab domes (and lots of nut satts and good terraforming/nut crawling)... game. set. match.

And yes, we could build massive amounts of toys for the DPO to crush everyone with

	12-04-2003 11:08									#28
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So, um... when's the chat? DBTS?

	12-04-2003 21:27									#29
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well as far as i know and can 22.00 GMT tonight!

that is 00.00 here........

	13-04-2003 00:30									#30
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DBTS: Isn't that 01:00 there, because of daylight savings? I'm up for it, which would be 23:00 BST (British Summer Time) for me.