08-04-2003 19:32									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Iraq could have attacked Israel.

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	08-04-2003 19:33									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Daz Why doesnt the US recognize the war crimes tribunal in Den Haag,

We recognize it. We just won't be sending any citizen to it ever but we know what it is and where it is located.

PS I've yet to see any reasonable arguements for ratifying the Rome Statute.

	08-04-2003 19:35									#33
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	08-04-2003 19:38									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's And how am I meant to respond to "Yeah...what you say".

The subject was the validity (or not ) of those "security reasons". Did you respond ? If yes, then i'd like you to clarify your answer please

quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Iraq could have attacked Israel

True. But USSR could have attacked the US during Cold War. You know why they didn't ? They knew they would be nuked in the hour.
Containment seemed to work pretty well during 30 years...

	08-04-2003 19:44									#35
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You dont seem to understand.

You say you wont send your people to this tribunal. At the same time you tell Rwanda, Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia that they HAVE TO send their suspects to the tribunal in order to "make bussiness" with the US.

Now this part I dont understand. Why the US wont sign it is QUITE clear. The same as the Kyoto co2 emmision agreement. Q U I T E clear.

	08-04-2003 19:47									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Daz You say you wont send your people to this tribunal. At the same time you tell Rwanda, Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia that they HAVE TO send their suspects to the tribunal in order to "make bussiness" with the US.

Ad hoc tribunals don't equal the ICC so I fail to see the contradiction.

	08-04-2003 20:33									#37
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Would the US commit it's people to the jurisdiction of an ad hoc tribunal about war crimes in the current war?

Of course not. So cut the hypocrisy.

And don't tell me the US does not commit war crimes in Iraq. Only today, there were 3 deliberate attacks on journalists, resulting in 3 dead and many injured. Not to mention dropping bunker-buster bombs inside residential areas.

	08-04-2003 22:29									#38
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I do not believe for a second France, Italy, Spain or any other country really accept the jurisdiction of ICC. It is made to push around small countries.

	08-04-2003 22:31									#39
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quote: You say you wont send your people to this tribunal. At the same time you tell Rwanda, Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia that they HAVE TO send their suspects to the tribunal in order to "make bussiness" with the US.

What is wrong with that? Rwanda, Serbia, Bosnia and Croatia are free to tell US it has to ratify ICC in order to make buissiness with them.

	08-04-2003 22:39									#40
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quote: Originally posted by axi Only today, there were 3 deliberate attacks on journalists, resulting in 3 dead and many injured. Not to mention dropping bunker-buster bombs inside residential areas.

Gee... it must be great to able to know what other people are thinking...

	09-04-2003 03:07									#41
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When two missiles hit the offices of Al-Jazeera, a location well known for what it is (because the journalists had warned the US Command in detail about that location, in order to avod being hit, like it happened in Afghanistan), there is no excuse for error. There is also no excuse for the tank that fired at the Palestine hotel and for the other that hit the Abu-Dhabi TV camera. Also there was no excuse for the attack on the Russian convoy the other day, since they had definitely warned the US Command about their passing.

	09-04-2003 03:10									#42
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There is an excellent excuse. Coalition forces were under fire. End of story. If the reporters want to jam themselves in combat situations, that's fine but they've been warned.

	09-04-2003 03:16									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's What's it like to know you have no power on the world stage?

Well, we are from the UK, why don't we tell him?

	09-04-2003 04:53									#44
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quote: Originally posted by axi Would the US commit it's people to the jurisdiction of an ad hoc tribunal about war crimes in the current war? Of course not.

We have the amazing ability to put people on trial for crimes they commit without shipping them somewhere else.

	09-04-2003 04:58									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Daz Why doesnt the US recognize the war crimes tribunal in Den Haag, although it does insist that others send their suspects on trial?

Oh, kiss my bender.

	09-04-2003 05:27									#46
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quote: You say you wont send your people to this tribunal. At the same time you tell Rwanda, Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia that they HAVE TO send their suspects to the tribunal in order to "make bussiness" with the US.

It is very hypocritical, I admit. Of course we can hide behind the idea that we have a open court system, but that still doesn't make sense when looking at the Rome Statute (the ICC's charter). I don't think we should say the ICC infringes on our soveriegnty and then infringe on others' soveriengnty by basically coercing them into accepting jurisdiction of tribunals.

	09-04-2003 05:45									#47
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I have no problems with international jurisdiction when impartiality cannot be guaranteed. There are a few provisions of the ICC that I don't like, but the US "justice" system is hardly any better.

	09-04-2003 07:47									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Of course we can hide behind the idea that we have a open court system, but that still doesn't make sense when looking at the Rome Statute (the ICC's charter).

Damn Poly for eating my post! Anyway, what makes you say this? I'd argue that there are parts of the statute that provide less protection than one would recieve from the American judicial system.

	09-04-2003 09:59									#49
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Because countries with reasonably fair, working judicial systems aren't going to have people hauled up there. Hell, that passage in the Rome Statute was basically written by the US itself (though, of course countries like the UK and France kinda liked the idea too).

As for less protection than from the American judicial system: if you commit an international crime, you deal with that law. The federal system has MANY less protections for defendants than plenty of states out there, but you don't see the states protesting that when a state citizen committs a federal crime.