08-04-2003 12:37									#1
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Why doesnt the US recognize the war crimes tribunal in Den Haag, although it does insist that others send their suspects on trial?

	08-04-2003 12:44									#2
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H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y i believe it is spelled

	08-04-2003 12:50									#3
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They're afraid that some Americans might do nasty things, and don't want to let some for-n-ers to judge them...

	08-04-2003 14:00									#4
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You mean like GWB and Rumsfeld?

	08-04-2003 14:01									#5
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Because countries like France Russia would start spurious lawsuits against American soldiers for political reasons.

And furthermore, it doesn't need to.

	08-04-2003 14:14									#6
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Well ok bod, but then they shouldnt tell others to recognize it and send their accused war criminals to Den Hague.

Right?

	08-04-2003 14:18									#7
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Why not? Just because American citizens aren't going to be sent there, it doesn't mean no other nation's should.

	08-04-2003 14:44									#8
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One could argue that Den Hauge could or should be used first and foremost when there's no other legal body in the person(s) own country that could be considered to be unpartial enough to handle a war crime. Probably the US thinks that they can handle their own crimes. I'm somewhat sceptical.

	08-04-2003 14:55									#9
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If US justice system is anything like the one we see on TV, I'd vote for Hague.

Remember OJ!

	08-04-2003 14:59									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Why not? Just because American citizens aren't going to be sent there, it doesn't mean no other nation's should.

The worse is,that he's probably serious

	08-04-2003 15:16									#11
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Of course I am. Why jeopardise a project because of one country's reasonable declaration that it wouldn't join?

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Well, thats double standards. A international war crimes tribunal shouldnt have double standards.

	08-04-2003 15:28									#13
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It's not double standards. It's American awareness that this "tribunal" will be used as a political weapon against them and their soldiers.

Enough said.

	08-04-2003 15:36									#14
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whats to stop other "political" charges being brought.

	08-04-2003 15:40									#15
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There must always be a law.

Even for the mightiest of nations...

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Well are the US the only country to fear political charges that they are the only ones who dont wanna sign it?Of course NOT.

Again: the US want the international law to be applied to everyone, except them!

They are not dismissing the War crimes tribunal. They just say that it wont trial US citizens.

How is that for attitude....

	08-04-2003 17:54									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Because countries like France Russia would start spurious lawsuits against American soldiers for political reasons.

That's way, way better than the US starting wars against puny nations for political reasons.

	08-04-2003 18:31									#18
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The reason for the action against Iraq has been outlined and didn't seem in the slightest bit political.

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Surley all wars are for political reasons

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Security reasons.

	08-04-2003 18:40									#21
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Of cource it's politics! That a country is or isn't allowed to have WoMD is the result of politics. The concept to press them with guns and the security council is political and to attack is a political action.

	08-04-2003 18:40									#22
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They used to kill jews for security reasons.

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They used to kill jews for [what they said were] security reasons.

	08-04-2003 18:49									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Security reasons.

Yeah...what you say

	08-04-2003 19:00									#25
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What's it like to know you have no power on the world stage?

	08-04-2003 19:15									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's What's it like to know you have no power on the world stage?

I'm fine, thanks . And you, what is your "power on the world stage" ? Not much i suppose, unless you are a member of the US government...

And by the way, changing the subject to hide the fact you have no more arguments is rather poor

	08-04-2003 19:22									#27
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And how am I meant to respond to "Yeah...what you say".

	08-04-2003 19:28									#28
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Yep... have to agree on that one. Security reasons is the lamest excuse I have heard the US gov use.

I mean, has the US gov EVER produced any hard evidence that Iraq plans to attack the USA? All they have said is "we have proof" and CNN repeated it until we all got used to the fabrication that Saddam wants to attack the USA.

With that kind of reasoning... they might as well invade half the world!

	08-04-2003 19:30									#29
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Iraq could have attacked Israel.

	08-04-2003 19:31									#30
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IIRC the US does not have problems witht the Hauge Tribunal, it just has problems with the World Court set up by the Rome treaty