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Meet my blade!
Sep 2002
time: 06:27
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Just the last words of a departing (not for long...  ) FAM:
About the entire Bob-Vox-us situation, war is going to erupt- probably between Vox and GoW or ND, and also between Bobians themselves. We don't have to pick sides, but we can turn this to our favor.
I think we should favorably consider letting GoW and ND know, (independently of course) that we plan to attack Vox, and that we just want to take over their Estonian territory. We'll promise not to go continue our conquest into Bob, perhaps signing a long term secret NAP with each of them. In return we ask that they hold their war (if the plan to anyway), or start one on Vox (if they just think about being opportunistic...  ) when we do. I think this should be done rather soon, if we are to succeed- so that they won't deal with Vox, selling them a right to stay of something of this kind, resulting in one of our main causes/excuses for war (the instablilty and potential foreign attack on our continent their intrusion to Bob brings) eliminated.
One important thing we are to remember, if we try to pull of this kind of thing: Let the Bobians (GoW and/or ND) or us (preferably the Bobiasn ) declare on Vox first- Vox will concentrate its forces there, but their attack should come in one turn or 2 (after some psychological: "stack of X whatevers is coming your way- be prepared!" precision strikes) after that, when we declare and attack ourselves, this way Vox will have time to organize a defense against the Bobians, and we'll be able to tell we were pressed for an attack because of the latest troubling events across the strait.
We can convince the Bobians by telling them we could cut off the Iron supply of Vox if we meet no resistance by the first turn (a little half-truth, but that won't kill anyone ), so they have something to earn from declaring earlier- fewer Immortals as the war continues. One important thigs is not to promise the Bobian lands of Vox to anyone- we don't want things to remain quite between ND and GoW. We shouldn't get RP into this as well- by dealing with the northen Bobians alone we cut the bond between them, and isolate RP- which is just what we need if we plan to strike them in the future.
This is only an idea- a plan if you'd like- and it depends on whether Vox gets a foothold on Bob- we also need to do this at the right time, and hope ND or GoW will trust us, or can be trusted themselves. (I'm sure GoW is quite scared, now that Vox has a bigger military than they have, so we might need to calm them down).
I trust you to do a good job- in whatever you choose to do!
May the Gathering Storm prevail!
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Arrian
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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
time: 00:27
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quote:
I think we should favorably consider letting GoW and ND know, (independently of course) that we plan to attack Vox, and that we just want to take over their Estonian territory. We'll promise not to go continue our conquest into Bob, perhaps signing a long term secret NAP with each of them. In return we ask that they hold their war (if the plan to anyway), or start one on Vox (if they just think about being opportunistic... ) when we do. I think this should be done rather soon, if we are to succeed- so that they won't deal with Vox, selling them a right to stay of something of this kind, resulting in one of our main causes/excuses for war (the instablilty and potential foreign attack on our continent their intrusion to Bob brings) eliminated. |
I disagree. Strongly. I don't want to risk word getting back to Vox that we're thinking about hitting them. Even if that chance is minimal. I DO NOT trust other teams to keep their traps shut.
Furthermore, even if that wasn't a concern, why tip our hand? Why not watch and wait. If and when a golden opportunity arises, we grab it. The fact is, our military is in no condition to do diddly squat right now, and that's something we all need to remember.
Still, we are in a position of strength here, diplomatically speaking. We should have other teams coming to us, offering US things to help them out. Not the other way 'round. Meanwhile, we build up our forces, hoard our cash, and keep our eyes & ears open.
-Arrian
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Shiber
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Haifa, Israel
Jul 2002
time: 07:27
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Originally posted by Arrian
Still, we are in a position of strength here, diplomatically speaking. We should have other teams coming to us, offering US things to help them out. Not the other way 'round. Meanwhile, we build up our forces, hoard our cash, and keep our eyes & ears open.
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I agree. If Vox plays well (and that's a big if; I'm strongly in favor of helping them out with tactics) then they could hold off both GoW and ND well.
ND will come with their swordsmen, but as soon as a swordsman steps near W. Wittlich (assuming that they take it, which shouldn't be too hard for Vox to do; GoW probably put few troops in there and put most of their troops at their border with ND, assuming that Vox would not return in the near future) an immortal can come out of the city and strike at him (at 4 vs. 2.2, the odds strongly favor the immortal).
GoW's fast units will not be vulnerable to such attacks, since they can strike at the city from two tiles away. However, they're only horsemen - 2 attack against a fortified spearman favors the defense, especially if that spearman is also on a hill or behind city walls. Not to mention what could happen to the horsemen that attack the city and don't die - they'll surely be killed by the counter-attack of the Voxian immortals the next turn.
Plus, if Vox relocates W. Wittlich to the hill, their job at defending it would be much easier. Fortified spearmen will have 3.5 defense, or 4.5 if they build additional city walls. That's strong enough against swordsmen; I don't see Med. Infantry coming anytime soon, since GoW and ND would rather save cash for upgrading to their UUs to fight the real war, the one between themselves.
If Vox plays their cards well, this could turn into a massacre for GoW's and ND's troops. THEN they would come to us (or sooner, if they can already guess what is going to happen) and seek our help by cutting off Vox's iron or attacking them.
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nbarclay
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Huntsville, Alabama
Dec 1999
time: 23:27
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I'd much rather not have GS take sides in matters between Vox and Bob for the time being. I'd rather just build up our forces and watch for openings.
Edit: By the way, have a nice trip!
Last edited by nbarclay on 09-04-2003 at 07:25
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