10-04-2003 17:07									#31
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quote: I suggest your source becoems the constitution rather than the Alpha Talent

Ah, so you're saying the AT is impartial and/or twisting the facts? You are free to quote excerpts of the constitution yourself.

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	10-04-2003 17:14									#32
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quote: Thank you for the clarification. Why was it not removed the first time it was brought up though? I remember saying about it (although not ordering destruction, as I was not Akirian Governor at the time) quite some time ago.

It was not destroyed because no-one ordered it destroyed, and you clearly didn't raise enough of a fuss at the time (and neither did Herc) for it to become a big issue. Besides, TKG was arguing it was in Aurillion territory anyway.

	10-04-2003 19:02									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia Ah, so you're saying the AT is impartial and/or twisting the facts?

Not at all, merely that that is his interpretation of the constitution, and he is not a Judge, so is not needed to know the constitution as well. I believe in getting information from the horses mouth, so to speak, and not 3rd party information.

quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus It was not destroyed because no-one ordered it destroyed, and you clearly didn't raise enough of a fuss at the time (and neither did Herc) for it to become a big issue.

Yes, I should have been more forceful. That is true.

quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus Besides, TKG was arguing it was in Aurillion territory anyway.

That is also true, even though his old poll showed differently.

	10-04-2003 23:45									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia Btw, could someone tell me how on earth chiron we ended up in this mess in the first place? Who exactly ordered the construction of an unconstitutional borehole?

i believe it was just that the commissioner built the boreholes based on the image i had in the poll, and not by my orders. if you'll look back in the old orders thread. you'll notice i never ordered that borehole, and that it was simply a mistake on the part of the commissioner.

and drug, if herc becomes the governor, he has an obligation to build that borehole. acting otherwise would not be "serving the faction as best you can" since you are clearly denying the will of the citizens.

	11-04-2003 00:25									#35
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quote: "serving the faction as best you can"

I just checked the constitution. It's not in the governor's job description.

	11-04-2003 01:26									#36
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W00t! Keep a lid on the nitpicking, for your own sake, after all, I am the one who nitpicked the Nitpicker's Guide to Evangelion.

	11-04-2003 02:31									#37
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quote: Originally posted by TKG and drug, if herc becomes the governor, he has an obligation to build that borehole. acting otherwise would not be "serving the faction as best you can" since you are clearly denying the will of the citizens.

Since when do you have to carry through each poll? Especially when that Governor changes over. He could believe he is serving better without building it, and if he is electedd, while saying he won't build it, then that is the people speaking too. You vote for the person and their policies, if you don't like their policies, you don't vote for them.

And as Maniac said, that isn't not in the constitution

	11-04-2003 02:34									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac I just checked the constitution. It's not in the governor's job description.

Sure it is, it's right there under "Line his/her pockets liberally with profits skimmed from the market" ... what, you don't see that one either ...

* Cedayon takes off his see-the-world-my-way lensed glasses and looks again*

Ohhh, ok, nevermind

	11-04-2003 05:02									#39
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so drug, you think that it's serving the faction as best you can by disobeying its will?

* Method neglects to mention governors don't have to serve the faction as bes they can

	11-04-2003 14:13									#40
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quote: Originally posted by TKG so drug, you think that it's serving the faction as best you can by disobeying its will?

Sometimes. Usually, no, but it can happen. Do the people know all of the long term effects of, say, pollution? Of smoking? Od alcohol? Can they make a truly informed decision? No, they can't. Sometimes, you have to say that the people do not know what is best for them. This is rare, but possible. Hence you should usually follow the peoples wishes, but at times, it may be better to go against them, for long term gain. Moreover, the people will normally choose short term gain, regardless of long term consequences.

These reasons are why, in most nations, you election someone who is more knowledgeable in that specific area, and trust their judgement. As DIA, you can veto any order, even if the people want it, as the Governor can choose not to do something that has been polled. Indeed, this happens often at the changeover between terms, if the incoming Governor does not like what the outgoing one was doing, he can stop and change it. You need the peoples agreement to act, for major things, but not to decide not to act.

	11-04-2003 20:22									#41
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I have to agree that there are times the individual in office knows better than popular opinion (and vice versa)... whether they are allowed to act on their own in a situation like that is a large part of what determines the actual system of government in place.

In any case, I'm sure the governor can choose inaction in just about anything, similar to how the DIA can veto just about anything in internal affairs... the counterbalance is that someone may try to have them impeached if suitably "unimpressed"

These boreholes aren't that big a deal, though... drill it, don't drill it, whatever...