01-03-2001 18:35									#94
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My new sig just about says it all - thanks Hueij.
I've played in nearly every succession game and have found several things - amongst them:

• we can all play like absolute plonkers on occasion;
• there is always something new to be learned;
• it's amazing what you can do in a few turns with complete focus

	02-03-2001 10:22									#95
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My first succession game, too, Roman

When Lady Ribannah returned to power, she could not believe her eyes. So much had changed! The Sioux had really flourished during her long-time absence. They also had erected a great statue in her honor, as a sign that they had never forgotten her great leadership in the past.
But is was, again, time for decisions.
Consul Ribannah decreed that from now on, the cities at the ocean would house the scientists, since the air would do them much good. The land-locked cities would once more start building Settlers, and it was ordered that a great many Granaries should be built fast to store the necessary food.
Then, she turned her attention abroad. Peace was made with the nearby Zulus, and the art of Seafaring was learned from the Aztecs - for a price.
Several foreign cities were sighted, and caravans were sent on their way to
set up foreign trade relations. Even the Barbarians in the former Chinese cities would be an option, seeing they were in need of goods we could produce. As her final act before a well-deserved vacation, Consul Ribannah ordered the scientists to research even more seafaring technology, starting with the art of Navigation.

720 AD Chased some evil scientists into the forests
740 AD Order restored in many cities, built 1 Granary, 1 Caravan, 1 Settlers
760 AD Built 1 Caravan
----- Germans meet Persians, make love not war, lots of techs exchanged
780 AD Built 3 Settlers and 2 Caravans, New Sorpigal founded on island
----- Zulus offer Peace - we accept and get 100 tribute , Greeks discover Feudalism
800 AD Astronomy discovered, Seafaring is next
----- 1 Caravan added to Leo's, 1 Temple sold
820 AD Built 1 Settlers
840 AD Built 1 Granary and 1 Caravan, sold 1 Temple
----- Gave Invention and Banking to Aztecs, then traded University for Seafaring
----- Russians start Leo's - we'll beat them yet
860 AD Now researching Navigation; built 1 Settlers

Edit: Zipped save sent to DaveV and kcbob

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	02-03-2001 14:47									#96
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Come on, Rib, time to accept that Republic has had its day - the support stifles military build up and the corruption negates the extra trade arrows...

We are King again! Hoorah and thanks Dan.

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"Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij
"The Great Library must be built!"
"A short cut has to be challenging,
were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven

	02-03-2001 14:53									#97
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Did I say Consul? Hmm, must be because I chose Republic in Earth:2025
Congrats with the restoration of your crown, don't get overexcited and turn us back into a Monarchy though .

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	02-03-2001 18:25									#99
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Have game, will play. Can't get to it until tonight, though. And let's hear it for Leo's!!!

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	02-03-2001 20:15									#100
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I guess the Aztecs just moved higher on the target list

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"Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij
"The Great Library must be built!"
"A short cut has to be challenging,
were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven

	03-03-2001 09:52									#101
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As the fifth millennium neared its end, a new czar rose to power in the great nation of the Sioux. His name was kcbobvarich and his dream was of a great army. To that end, he ordered the building of warriors in many of the cities in anticipation of the discovery of Gunpowder. He also tried his hand at diplomacy with mixed results. 50 gold was obtained from the Zulus while every other nation in the world declared war against us. You win a few, you lose a few.
Genoa was founded and the age old desire of the nation was again awakened… Incredible Communist Success. Genoa was followed by Crete as the new millennium dawned. And then, as if in answer to our atheistic supplications, the city of Little Big Horn built a wonder that would ensure our supremacy on the high seas. Long live comrade Magellan!
Verona was founded, Gunpowder discovered, our warriors magically transformed into valiant musketeers. Physics was chosen as our next research subject with an eye towards the iron horse and that champion of the masses, Charles Darwin.
In his last few days, kcbobvarich founded Salamis and Lisbon and made peace with the Germans, Persians, and Greeks, all the while sending out diplomats to spy out their lands. Such are the ways of the evil empire of the communist Sioux, heh, heh, heh.

Now to send to John-SJ and Roman.

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	03-03-2001 23:06									#102
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Turn received and played.

As I enter the great tribal council of our great nation I see that we are thriving in every way. We have a well run economy, our scientists are making rapid progress, and our trade, both internal and external is going well. The majority of our tribal production is either caravans or settlers.

One exception was Little Big Horn which was building A.S. Trading Co. Me, being somewhat of a perfectionist living in an ICS world proclaimed that A.S. would have to wait, LBH is our largest scientific research center, but only houses a Library for our researchers. What LBH really needs is a University. Work on A.S. can resume once the university is complete.

Overall, progress has been good but there was one disappointment. Our long range science goal was to research Railroad so that we could build Darwin's Voyage and further enhance our science advantage. Unfortunately, when Physics was discovered the only choices were for Theory of Gravity, Medicine, and Feudalism.

Our dream of an overwhelming military force is yet to be realized, but that goal can be obtained quickly as we have many cities and much production potential. Now, on to the future!

1060 - Aztecs, Gave Navigation, Cease Fire, Peace
1080 - The Russians have completed Shakespeare's Theatre.
1100 - Little Big Horn builds University (rush) - Next A.S. Trading Co. The Russians have just started building this as well so the race is on!
1140 - Discovered Physics, now researching Theory of Gravity.

Now forwarding to Roman. CCs to thoth and kcbob.

	04-03-2001 01:42									#104
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And so it happened that following John's death, Roman outmaneuvered all of his Politburo opponents and became the General Secretary of the Sioux Communist Party ready to serve the masses and save the workers. In celebration of his victory the proletariat found two new cities, all competing to be granted the title Romancity. Being true to socialist ideals, though, Roman declined this honour and instead let them be called Hamburg and Prague.
Immediately on assuming power Roman set out to build the communist society. Leonardo's Workshop built by his predecessors helped arm the workers in anticipation of the coming world revolution. The warriors built in our cities were converted to muskateers...
Meanwhile, however, the Politburo decided that trade with the capitalist, imperialist nations will serve us well until we are ready for the unification of the world's proletariat. Therefore, caravans were sent on caravels accross the great sea to establish trade routes with the Zulu and Aztec Empires.
To educate the burgoise population how to be good communists, prior to establishing the true form of communism, Roman had to resort to governing in the name of the people in this preparatory stage. The socialist dictatorship of the proletariat he had set up, then started the reeducation program and the transformation of the society into a socialist one. The peasantry was collectivized and the Kulaks and other hostile peasants were sent to labour camps. The burgoisie resisting this progressive form oof government was also deported. These labour camps proved invaluable to our country as the labourers (read caravans) were used to build two great projects in Little Bighorn. Both the Central Planning Agency (read Adam Smith Corporation) and the Issac Newton College were built under Roman's Tutelage.
Our flourishing revolution also brought scientific progress. Theory of Gravity was discovered and Steam Engine is being researched so that we can someday learn how to build railroads. The research now also only takes 5 turns down from six at the beginning of Roman's oversight over the revolution.
The Politburo, however, grew jelous of Roman's enormous success and therefore Roman had to flee to exile. A new leader was than picked from among the ranks of the faithfull, which the Politburo will undaubtably also replace if he growth too powerful for their liking.

	04-03-2001 01:44									#105
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The game has now been sent to Thoth, Julius and Kcbob.

	04-03-2001 18:45									#107
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Sorry for the delay in playing my turns....a couple too many glasses of "Chateau de Beaver Dam" last night.


1320: After a brief period of political infighting, a new leader takes the helm: Komrade Thoth.

1360: Our scientists discover the secrets of Steam Engine. We begin reasearch on Railroad. Little Bighorn begins to build The Effiel Tower in the expectation that a fellow named Darwin will soon wish to make a Voyage.

1380: Salzburg founded.

1400: Bergen founded. Chemistry obtained from Germans in exchange for Invention, Seafaring and Navigation.

1420: Trade Steam Engine to Aztecs for Metallurgy.
Caravan from Wood Lake to Tlataleco, Dye, demanded: 144
Spice from Silver Moon to Tenochtitlan: 121
Wool from Stoney lake to Tenochtitlan: 127

Libraries in Bear Paw and Wood Lake completed.

1440: Russians and Aztecs begin Eiffel Tower. Zulus offer us 100g for a peace treaty. Accepted.

The reactionary Aztecs have sneak attacked us.

The progressive scientists of the United Soviet Sioux Republics discover Railroad, Little Bighorn changed to Darwin's voyage.

Our researchers turn their efforts towards Explosives.

The mantle of leadership is passed on. (Rumours of assasinations will likely be denied by the new regime)

	05-03-2001 04:07									#108
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Sorry, but Comrade Julius Brenzaidovich needs some time to purge all the traitors. New goulags are being build and new party members are being trained but the country can’t be fully operational until tomorrow Monday at about 1 pm Apolyton Time. I hope you won’t mind or that if you do, you appreciate Siberia in Winter.
More seriously, skip me if you think I delay the game too much.

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	05-03-2001 23:59									#111
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1440 AD. Comrade Brenzaidovich declares he only has one goal. To free the world from evil capitalism. Such a noble cause justifies any means. Chivalry is stolen from the Greeks. They declare war. 1460 AD Feudalism stolen from the Russians. All was well planified but all was slow. After 4 turns nothing else had happened. Then on the very last moment (1510 AD that is) we got sneak attacked by the Zulus, were raided by Barbarians near Salamis – the city will be lost next turn – and then learned that Zulus had discovered Conscription. On the positive side, we discovered Explosives the same year and as science is only a tool for the power of freedom we went for direction. A Zulu catapult was destroyed. Mpondo was captured by a diplomat. It was a bit expensive, but Propaganda always pays in the end. Everybody now knows nobody should dare to sneak attack us. What’s more still on the same last turn, 3 caravans arrived in Tenochlitan, filling back the coffers. The city of Lost Island was also founded. What a last turn !

	06-03-2001 00:02									#112
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Game sent to Scouse Gits, with copy to Ribannah and Kcbob. Sorry for the little delay. It was 2 pm, but Siberian wind is really cold.
BTW, I don’t recall who wrote it but I love this line : “We do not move and do not speak. We do not think and do not exist”. Was it a Soviet poet who wrote it ?

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	06-03-2001 16:34									#113
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Game received - will finish my turns later today.

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	07-03-2001 10:51									#114
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1520 - The world looks purple.
At the GITtysburg Address SG2 promised the masses Darwin's Voyage as well as the wonders of a modern/railroaded/industrialised nation whilst crushing the bourgeois enemies of the people .. .. crowd went to sleep ...
As predicted by Comrade Juliusovich the city of Salamis fell to barb crusaders.
Copper to Zimbabwe 94g
1530 - Aztec diplomat killed by patrol near Prague; Gems to Munich 108g
1540 - Leadership discovered & Conscription pinched from Aztecs in Bapedi
Gems to Bapedi 36g; Gold to Hlobane 44g; Naval patrol kills Zulu diplomat
1550 - DARWIN - Industrialisation + The Corporation
Aztecs become a Democracy; Gems to Cologne 132g; Wine to Teotihuacan 105g; Wine to Isandhlwana 132g
Gave Germans Railroad/Industrialisation for Maps and Medicine Bribe Salamis from Barbs for 52g; Ironclad blasts Hlobane which falls. (153g)
1560 - Coal to Leipzig 230g.
1570 - Tactics - Magnetism next research goal; Intombe falls to the new Cavalry Regiment (119g) - Zulus give 250g for Cease Fire.
1580 - Bapedi (Aztec) falls (178g) to Ironclad/Cavalry.
With several cities "Xinning" tech rate is 3. It's time for Ribannah to lead the Presidium.
(Game sent Ribannah, copies to kcbob, Dave, and SG[1])

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[This message has been edited by Scouse Gits (edited March 07, 2001).]

	07-03-2001 21:49									#115
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I played only 5 turns, but a lot happened in a mere 50 years. The Sioux rule the seven seas!

1580 AD Changed Granary in Little Bighorn to Harbor, sold Hlobane Aqueduct
1590 AD built 1 each of Harbor, Library, Diplomat, Engineers, Riflemen, Cavalry, Alpine Troops, Dye, Silver, Spice, killed Barb Crusaders
----- The Sioux nation has more than 5 million citizens!!
1600 AD built 1 Harbor and 1 Granary , killed Aztec Cannon and Barb Dragoons
----- Killdeer Gold to Zimbabwe (d,258), founded Ironfist
----- The brave Sioux Cavalry add Isandhlwana to the empire (136 gold)
----- Aztecs offer Cease Fire, we refuse
1610 AD Magnetism discovered, now researching Sanitation in preparation of capital growth
----- built 1 Harbor, 3 Granaries , 1 Library, killed 2 Barb Dragoons and 2 Aztec Crusaders
----- Cedar Creek Gold (d,216), Snake Canyon Silver (d,180), Stony lake Gold (d,204), Singing Bird Gold (d,132), Naples Beads (66) all to Zimbabwe
----- Diplomat converts Greek Herakleia to the right faith for 620 gold (get 110 gold back)
----- Founded Free Haven, Darkmoor and Goblinwatch
1620 AD Sanitation discovered, now researching Amphibious Warfare
----- built 1 Granary, 1 Library, 1 Ironclad, 1 Gems and 3 Gold , Moon Temple founded
----- Raging Brook Silk (d,456), Cedar Creek Wool (148), Running Bear Coal (d,315), Morning Rock Wool (144) all to Tenochtitlan
----- Russians discover Communism (who else? ) -> MP expires
----- Greeks demand Gunpowder, we refuse, Cease Fire offer also refused , killed Greek Knights
1630 Amphibious Warfare discovered, now researching Theology
----- built 3 Harbors, 1 Library, a Bank in Little Bighorn, 1 Dip, 1 Coal, 1 Gems, 1 Hides
----- heroic Sioux Cavalry take Ulundi (116 gold into our coffers)
----- made peace with the Russians, got Communism for Tactics (they refused Magnetism )

Before long, the Aztecs and the Greeks will be provinces of the great Sioux nation. Then we will come for the Persians, ha!

Edit: zipped save sent to DaveV and kcbob

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	08-03-2001 17:47									#116
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Pass. I was hoping to have some time to play the game last night, but didn't. Tonight is not looking any better. Give 'em what for, kcbob!

	08-03-2001 18:50									#117
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Thanks for the heads up, DaveV. I'll get on it tonight.

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	09-03-2001 00:27									#118
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SG: "1580 - Bapedi (Aztec) falls (178g) to Ironclad/Cavalry.
With several cities "Xinning" tech rate is 3. It's time for Ribannah to lead the Presidium."

OK, I gotta ask, what is "xinning"?

John-SJ

	09-03-2001 14:47									#119
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'Xinning' is the term we use to denote following the 'Size 5 Strategy' expounded by Xin Yu (hence the name) in which every worker in a city of size 5 (or greater) is converted to a specialist - although this leads to much hunger as long as there is a single sheaf in the food box no loss of population occurs so on the next turn sufficient workers are returned to the fields to put a few sheaves in the box and the process repeated - at the expense of a few turns of loss of growth some remarkable scientific advances can be achieved ...
See also a related thread by La Fayette called 'SSC = Starving Silicon City' which IMHO did not recieve half as much attention as it deserved.

Good civin'

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Scouse Git[1]

"Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij
"The Great Library must be built!"
"A short cut has to be challenging,
were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven
[This message has been edited by Scouse Gits (edited March 09, 2001).]

	10-03-2001 09:09									#120
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I got the save game from kcbob, I'm surprised he hasn't posted yet. Oh well, I will play this turn tomorrow morning.

BTW SG, thanks for answering. I remember reading about the pop 5 strategy, guess I didn't realize it had been imortalized with a name. Thanks also for the links!

John-SJ

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