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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
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Not only that, like I said, you're missing the point, they had every right to say no and Americans would have understood but they helped out anyway. |
i don't think we understood the french and the germans much. not if it's evidence with the behavior of the run-of-the-mill public, congress, or even the state department.
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UK carries more political weight around the world than anyone else except for America. The UK brings a certain level of "legitimacy" to political matters. |
does it now? does it really? let's see. in terms of economic matters, britain isn't really an important figure out of europe; and the only reason europe really wants britain is because of its strong british pound would certainly give their euro a strong boost.
no, the chinese are very much more influential in economic issues. it's the world's largest market, and you can bet your ass that if the chinese want something done their way, people will follow, whether it's good or not. why else do you think america overlooks some of the nasty things that china does? in america, economics may as well be politics.
how about foreign policy? sure, britain has much respect. indeed, its involvement in this iraq conflict (we haven't declared war, actually~) has brought a bit of legitimacy from the beginning. people remember, however, the suez debacle and the falklands war, neither of which resulted in a favorable political outcome for britain. you must keep in mind, as well, britain has no real way of exerting any of its political force without the united states. it can pressure other countries, but those other countries can easily find other places to go. china, on the other hand, can pressure all of its neighboring countries with military force, if need be; with some of the world's most vibrant and largest economies, that's not a small influence that the chinese could wield.
of course, i could be wrong. i'm willing to bet, however, that this century will belong more to the american-asian interplay rather than a europe which is struggling to hold onto the last vestiges of power and influence it still has.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
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Wow, now Russia is western?
Ted is not wrong about the perception of the Uk in the world. The French spend as much as the Uk on its military and its ability to move forces a around is not that far behind the Brtis: the thing is the French have a long history is meddling in their ex-colonies. The Brits left all thier colonies without much issue and have kept thier hands out of the cookie jar as well. They also have the whole Commonwealth and all the meetings and so forth, so Ted is right, the UK is pretty respected out there. In fact, they are more respected, i would say, then the US. The US is stronger, but it has a tainted record like France. The Brits come out out as more upstanding chaps.
The Germans and Japanses are of course bigger, but eve with all thier wealth and size, they currently have little world influence. The Chinese are totally self-centered and withdrawn, while the Russians are out right now.
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
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Tassadar, the fact you live in utah says otherwise
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
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Nah, I think their leaders are very intelligent right now. They haven't showed any cards yet, or are not about to. They're plaing the game making themselves look like observers but I don't buy it for one second. Putin is intelligent man, maybe the most intelligent of all the leaders now IMO, and he has lots of ambitions and goals he wants to accomplish. And he is on his way right now as we speak, and he is using the backdoor-tactics, showing the true deal when the time is right, or should I say too late for others to say anything about it.
Tass, And of course you know that in the event of us knowing your plans to wipe us out, we'll join NATO? 
It's in our plan books, has always been, or at least the last 15 years. We can't win you, but you have to ask yourlsef.. do you really want our God forsaken lands so bad? I didn't think so  .
We can make personal non-aggression pact though, I promise not to kill you if we meet in combat, and hide you. You promise to do the same with me?
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Ted Striker
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United States of America
Jan 1970
time: 21:27
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Originally posted by GePap
The French spend as much as the Uk on its military and its ability to move forces a around is not that far behind the Brtis: the thing is the French have a long history is meddling in their ex-colonies. The Brits left all thier colonies without much issue and have kept thier hands out of the cookie jar as well. They also have the whole Commonwealth and all the meetings and so forth, so Ted is right, the UK is pretty respected out there. In fact, they are more respected, i would say, then the US. The US is stronger, but it has a tainted record like France. The Brits come out out as more upstanding chaps.
The Germans and Japanses are of course bigger, but eve with all thier wealth and size, they currently have little world influence. The Chinese are totally self-centered and withdrawn, while the Russians are out right now. |
Good analysis.
Another thing to add is that Brits own more foreign real estate in the world than even America or Japan. (Unless this has changed in recent years). But they were ahead of the US by about 1 trillion dollars in real estate holdings.
The Marines I talked to this week said the Brits had the best urban warfare units in the world. They also said the Brits were the best at keeping the locals calm.
In addition the Commonwealth, but if you examine all those business and informal ties (the meeting GePap is talking about) the UK still has with all the old colonies around the world, you're aren't going to find another nation that is as skilled at understanding the world political game.
Last edited by Ted Striker on 10-04-2003 at 09:16
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
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i love the UK! im thinking about moving there one day.
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Lord Merciless
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What we need is a federation of english-speaking countries:
US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, and maybe India.
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L'Boro, UK
Oct 2001
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Originally posted by cinch
I thought Holland was pro-war? Did I dream that? |
Nope you didn't dream it, the Netherlands is pro-war.
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The Viceroy
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tu mumbai se, mai Bombay se
Nov 2000
time: 05:27
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India is not sliding into Hindu nationalism, what rubish ! Ive been going to India for many years now, (married to an Indian), and I can tell you the Indian people are strong supporters of the US/UK. The government is still full of people who remember the Imperial past, and who don't feel comftable reflecting these thoughts, but its deeply unpopular (all political parties are in India).
However, I don't believe India is politically ready to join a union with the UK/US .. But the youth of India would !
I am 100% behind your idea Lord Merciless .. and have been a strong advocate of at least economic union between our countries, if not eventually some form of loose polical union. When push comes to shove, Britain would chose the US as a natural ally every time over the EU. We see the EU as important friends, even when we don't agree ..
Unfortunatly all major political parties here in the UK, do not talk about a union with anybody other than the EU, people say its not likely .. but, if you don't talk about it, its not going to ever appear likely !
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