11-04-2003 22:30									#1
	Danger! Danger! USAPATRIOT Act to be extended Full PM-box? Change here!

The provisions of the USAPATRIOT Act have sunset provisions and are set to go away in 2005. Congress is now talking about removing the sunset provisions and make it permanent.

Contact your Congressman and Senator today!

	11-04-2003 22:32									#2
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I posted my reservations 'bout this shite in NO uncertain terms when they first came down the pipe....everybody said I was full of it....that once the crisis passed, they'd fade away.....uh huh....

-=Vel=-

	11-04-2003 22:32									#3
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quote: Contact your Congressman and Senator today!

Yes! We must make sure that our representatives make this wonderful piece of legislation permanent!

That's what you meant, right che?

	11-04-2003 22:34									#4
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Orrin Hatch is pushing it from the Senate side, that uptight little dickweed. However, considering the regrets that congressmen expressed after the bill passed, I think this will have a hard time becoming permament.

	11-04-2003 22:44									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov However, considering the regrets that congressmen expressed after the bill passed, I think this will have a hard time becoming permament.

One Senator voted against it, and less than fifty Congressman did so. Do NOT be complacent! We need to organize to defeat this terribly unAmerican peice of legislation.

	11-04-2003 22:47									#6
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How can a piece of legislation called the Patriot Act be un-American? You're talking crazy, che...

	11-04-2003 22:49									#7
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What kills me is that Americans would actually name this "PATRIOT Act". I mean, naming any kind of act "PATRIOT Act" is silly enough.

I bet that in 2010 at latest, "FUZZY BUNNIES AND ABRAHAM LINCOLN" act sends anybody any government official anywhere doesn't like to slave labor camps and allows the President to feast on the tender meat of the freshborn baby.

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quote: What kills me is that Americans would actually name this "PATRIOT Act". I mean, naming any kind of act "PATRIOT Act" is silly enough.

It's not any sillier than "Operation Iraqi Freedom." I don't know when we Yanks starting taking ourselves so seriously, but I don't like it. We should take a page or two from the Brits and come up with some good operation codenames. I loved the whole 007 theme...

	11-04-2003 23:03									#9
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I think Operation Iraqi Liberation would have been better. I bet it would have got acronymized pretty fast, though.

In same vein, "Operation Arabic Freedom" would have been fine...

	11-04-2003 23:06									#10
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I heard a rumor that Operation Iraqi Freedom started out with a different name that was too inflammatory, so they changed it. (Like Infinite Justice -> Enduring Freedom.) Anyone else hear anything about this?

I like it better when they have the computer pick the name, and you get stuff like "Operation Azure Badger."

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I miss the good old days of "Operation: Overlord" and "Operation: Anvil".
The Germans had some good ones too, "Operation: Citadel", "Operation:Weserubung" (pronounced Vey-se-rue-boong) and so on.

	11-04-2003 23:11									#12
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quote: I like it better when they have the computer pick the name, and you get stuff like "Operation Azure Badger."

I kinda like that one.

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hi ,

good , ..... excellent , lets hope they extend it to way behind 2005 ,......

have a nice day

	12-04-2003 01:03									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Velociryx I posted my reservations 'bout this shite in NO uncertain terms when they first came down the pipe....everybody said I was full of it....that once the crisis passed, they'd fade away.....uh huh.... -=Vel=-

The advantage to haveing a never ending war on terrorism is that the crisis never passes, and so the measures stay

	12-04-2003 01:04									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu In same vein, "Operation Arabic Freedom" would have been fine...

and that would give us gorunds to head into Syria!

GENIUS!!

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Can someone explain how come most congresspeople / senators will vote for this crap ? I would have thought almost all Americans were actually loving their freedom, and their representatives love it as well. Why is this text so much unopposed ?

	12-04-2003 01:30									#17
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What's wrong che, aren't you a patriot.

Anyway, I agree with Spiffor. People are scared so they give up their freedoms willingly. In that sense the terrorists have won.

	12-04-2003 01:31									#18
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I love how the Republican party wants to spread freedom to other countries, but restricts it domestically. And shame on the spineless Democrats that don't stand up against this crap. They're just as bad as the Reps.

	12-04-2003 01:38									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Can someone explain how come most congresspeople / senators will vote for this crap ?

IIRC, not many of them read it and Ashcroft pushed for a quick vote on it.

Now as for weather the law is crap or not, I don't see it as being substantively worse than the Prevention of terrorism act and the like passed by Parliament in the UK. I'll let you make your own judgement on if that is a good thing or a bad thing.

	12-04-2003 02:00									#20
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Gee, I sure am suprised.

I seem to recall people telling me not to worry about the Patriot Act in this very forum because Congress decided to include a sunset clause.

quote: Can someone explain how come most congresspeople / senators will vote for this crap ?

Half of Congress is made up of fascists, and the other half is made up of pansies.

	12-04-2003 02:04									#21
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Actually, this is great news.

	12-04-2003 02:14									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Can someone explain how come most congresspeople / senators will vote for this crap ? I would have thought almost all Americans were actually loving their freedom, and their representatives love it as well. Why is this text so much unopposed ?

hi ,

well cause maybe some security apparatus has some files on them , ......

have a nice day

	12-04-2003 04:21									#23
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To give up freedom in the name of freedom. Sometimes my fellow Americans really disturb me.

MTG, I know you have stated that due process must be involved in the execution of most of the Patriot act provisions. This does not make me feel safer. If due process could be executed to remove the rights of free speech for thousands at a time would you feel safe?(just a what if.)

This is a BAD law. Che is correct. Write your representative today!

"Love your Country, Fear your Government."

	12-04-2003 05:49									#24
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hey, che...

if you're a patriot, you have nothing to hide...



jeebus, i hope this bill dies. as i hope the DCMA dies as well.

	12-04-2003 05:56									#25
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As I look at the US....it's becoming less and less American and more and more like certain other countries I've lived in

	12-04-2003 05:56									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Half of Congress is made up of fascists, and the other half is made up of pansies.

Now that's what I wanted to read
I'm sure it is much more true than the average partisan would like to admit

	12-04-2003 06:45									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu I think Operation Iraqi Liberation would have been better. I bet it would have got acronymized pretty fast, though. In same vein, "Operation Arabic Freedom" would have been fine...

Operation Cheap Oil?

	12-04-2003 06:55									#28
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The provisions of the USAPATRIOT Act have sunset provisions and are set to go away in 2005. Congress is now talking about removing the sunset provisions and make it permanent. Contact your Congressman and Senator today!

Writing a snail male letter to my congressman now(not gonna bother with my senator......Hillary Clinton-grrrrrrrr)-I said it was a bad idea when it was made law, I said it would be extended-I was told I was nuts........GRRRRRR!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!

	12-04-2003 06:57									#29
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yah that patriot act is pretty scary stuff. definitely needs to get its ass repealed

	12-04-2003 09:03									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Can someone explain how come most congresspeople / senators will vote for this crap ?

The Patriot Act isn't any worse than the anti-terrorism laws that France has had for years. You would never know that from cruising Poly, however...

That being said, I still don't want it to be permanent. I'm not comfortable copying the French.