15-04-2003 01:43									#31
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In the Al Jazeera case I do see a point in doing so as they wouldn't get caught either way. The US has a interest to get greater control over the flow of information. It's easy to brush away as stupid anti-american propaganda. I'm not claiming that anyone gave that order. I'm just saying that it wouldn't suprise me. It will never be proven if that would be the case anyhow, so why bother really?

	15-04-2003 01:48									#32
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Yeah... Let's order an attack on Al Jazeera and hand them a propaganda story better than anything they could make up...

Yeah, I guess I see the logic of that...

	15-04-2003 01:50									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin In the Al Jazeera case I do see a point in doing so as they wouldn't get caught either way. The US has a interest to get greater control over the flow of information. It's easy to brush away as stupid anti-american propaganda. I'm not claiming that anyone gave that order. I'm just saying that it wouldn't suprise me. It will never be proven if that would be the case anyhow, so why bother really?

MWHC just looks down wondering how... how could people think this crap.

yeah - that's why the US let 600 reporters along for the ride. This will control the flow of info. Complain about this when someone else opens up the battlefield to this level. And I still say those crews might have had a RPG. Did you SEE the crew that was killed??? did you? they could have had one!!!!!

Pretty stupid huh.

why not just hit them with a sniper? it would have been cheaper.

	15-04-2003 01:50									#34
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Propaganda about as substancial as a Iraqi tv war report, yes.

	15-04-2003 01:54									#35
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Yeah pretty stupid of you I'd say. I'm saying in each post that I find it unsubstancial but that it wouldn't really suprise me. Also, you're obviously confused as you're talking about the shot on the Hotel Palestine, not the Al Jazeera that was bombed.

	15-04-2003 01:55									#36
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No motives listed here seem to make any sense. But when does the OT ever make sense.

	15-04-2003 01:56									#37
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Not when you're posting, that's for sure.

	15-04-2003 01:58									#38
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I guess i didnt see that one. anyway, so what. i'm taking it they were located somewhere in the captial. if so what are they complaining about. it's a freakin war! what the heck do you think happens??

The US has killed more US people during this operation. Is this an order from above???

	15-04-2003 01:59									#39
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Three Al-Jazeera offices had been bombed by US recently: Kabul, Basrah and Baghdad. That begins to look like a conspiracy.

In the Palestine hotel case, I believe it was a trigger happy tank commander who thought the camera on the balcony looked like a sniper rifle. I'm sure his boss asked him WTF he was doing. If it was some local, no one would ever hear about it, but a foreign journalist...

Journalists are like cops. If you shoot one, you can be sure they will be all over you.

	15-04-2003 02:00									#40
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Obviously not, don't be silly.

	15-04-2003 02:02									#41
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'Three Al-Jazeera offices had been bombed by US recently: Kabul, Basrah and Baghdad. That begins to look like a conspiracy. '

i dunno - i think the US shot down 2 or 3 friendly aircraft the first few days. hmmm... i knew something was up!!!

	15-04-2003 02:14									#42
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quote: Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV i dunno - i think the US shot down 2 or 3 friendly aircraft the first few days. hmmm... i knew something was up!!!

Those friendly aircraft were just a few out of hundreds flying that day. With the air defence crews as trigger-happy as the rest of the Yanks, such things are expected. But those 3 TV offices were all located in million-people cities. If a Tomahawk or smart bomb gets astray/damaged close to town, the chance of it hitting that particular house instead of some poor guys home is perhaps 0.00001. Imagine that event happening three times in a short time and the number of zeroes you have to add to get the probability of that.

I think it was intentional, or very bad intelligence.

	15-04-2003 02:17									#43
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Re the US claims of receiving small arms fire from the Palestine, they are turning out to have a lot of merit. Apparently, many Syrian jihadists returning home from Iraq after getting thoroughly thrashed by both the Americans and Iraqi volunteer militias said that they were put up in the hotel (BBC quoting invterviews in Syrian papers).

	15-04-2003 02:32									#44
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I haven't said that the attacks are part of a conspiracy, that troops have got to be tried for war crimes or US troops just really hate foreign reporters, these arguements are sort of silly since we only know a small fraction of whats going on. Equally silly are wild assertions that everythings fine and there's been no wrong doing here, we should just trust what the Pentagon/White House tell us. The most ridiculous are the ones who demand that those who are suspicious produce a motive as if those with only the barest glimpse of the events are at all in the position to do so. Its not necessary to have a motive before being suspicious of an event, rather motive is usually gleaned after suspicion leads to an investigation.

Some one screwed up royally here, 3 events in one day, all of them a little fishy and when put together the stink is overpowering. Either to dispell ugly allegations or confirm and punish misdeeds an open investigation should be in order here whatever you believe. Certainly we have a reason to be upset when officials give a description of the Palestine event that seems to be easily refuted by the available evidence.

	15-04-2003 02:51									#45
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I dissagree. The MOTIVE makes it intentional and not an accident. Now granted, we may not be privy to everything, but every good conspiracy in the past were based on motives. Think of all the stabs at the Kennedy assasination. What made them somewhat attractive was there was plenty of motives flying around. Mob retribution, CIA.
But on this one Even the most ardent anti-americans have been unable to even speculate a reasonable motive. The best one is that they were trying to shut them down. (which makes blowing them up and giving them more attention seem kinda silly)

If someone comes up with a good motive, even I might start to question it.

	15-04-2003 05:22									#46
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Lots of journalist are killed in really short time. What mesage it would express? There is a lot of journalist that would skip some informations, just because they are afraid of theirs hide.
TV and media are very socialized. They don't act on reason, but rather on common believ. I don't think that current common believ is hunt down all US soldiers and rip them appart for killing of journalists. Its rather I want sallary so I will write something more carefull. BBC crew wasn't killed. FOX staff is in its normal somewhat could I say deluded condition? Until major media would be repeatedly hit it would end with nothing serious for US officials.

At videotape coud be seen that tank has considerable delay before firing, so no accident.

	15-04-2003 05:35									#47
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do something about it

	15-04-2003 06:07									#48
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quote: do something about it

Give me some missile one stupid flyboy is near and flying low.
US elections are near, so. Bush would be out and no problems with his reeducation.
"Bush tied in Guantanamo bay" Soldiers around. One of them speaking: "And then..." "Could you shouw it on this tied person, it's Bush you know"

You mean like that? Every action needs time or money. I lack money so every my action could have considerable delay.

	16-04-2003 00:08									#49
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Here's a link to the beating of2 Isreali journalists.

Thanks for the info, I'm forwarding this information to my congressman, Rep. Thomson. He was one of the 3 that visted Baghdad before the war.