14-04-2003 03:21									#1
	Finding nice worlds for harvesters Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

Recently I'm trying harvesters. They like high G and could make for a good gas giant race, except --- after playing like 10 starter games, a single yellow 1 is the best planet of the 100 planets I discovered.

The bulk of the planets I discovered are gas giants with green (high) gravity. Actually, every gas giant is eighter green or yellow gravity for harvesters, thus acceptable. But the gas planets I discovered are also HOT, having thick black red clouds and they are generally ranked red 2. Harvesters only need 3 colonies to colonize a red 2, but that's always 2 more than getting an easy green planet.

It makes me wonder: do green worlds for harvesters actually spawn, or do harvesters have to rely on terraforming ? That may give trouble with food, as it takes a long time to get a red 2 into the yellow 1 band.

	14-04-2003 10:57									#2
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Never played Harvesters, but I've read a few threads commenting on this on the IG forum. Opinion so far seems to be that they are in a tough spot desirability-wise, so break out the terraforming tools. At least they're Environmentally Superior.

	14-04-2003 17:10									#3
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You could do the galaxy a favor and colonize only Red 2 worlds. That way you'll be nice, weak, and small when you are exterminated.

Nasty parasites!

	16-04-2003 17:52									#4
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If you need food, look for planet fertility, not for the green/yellow/red classification.

	16-04-2003 20:18									#5
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Planet classification does matter. Food can never be grown on red 2 worlds. To grow food on a red1 or yellow 2 world it requires some bio-tech lvl 35 whats name I forgot (morphing microbes or something).
The other way is to terraform planets, however a red 2 may be that far from the sweet spot, even all the terraforming in the world cannot get it into yellow 1. Thus greatly limiting the number of farming planets.

	18-04-2003 03:54									#6
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Harvesters kick ass so badly it's not even funny. IMO, they're the most favorably unbalanced race for the player, but they're good for taking out your aggressions.

There are some green worlds out there for them, and they do well enough on most worlds that they're impossible to slow down. They do well enough in manufacturing and environmental (a really advantageous combo, since much less money is lost to pollution cleanup) that they can maintain a good enough fleet to prevent blockading of existing systems and to relentlessly expand.

The trick with Harvesters is to play hyperaggressively - you can't do balanced planets, because there's not enough that are useful enough to you. You have to have specialty planets, and keep things going by having enough forces to prevent or quickly eliminate blockades. The fact that MoO3 allows instant transport of bioharvest and minerals, and that you don't have to build or directly secure transport fleets, just adds to the Harvester's ability to dominate.

I don't hesitate to take red 1 or red 2 worlds that are mineral rich or very rich, and use these primarily for mining. Any green worlds (until I have enough), I bias towards bioharvest), and yellow worlds get the emphasis on industry and research.

I only do colony ships where there's green planets - having to do three for a red planet (or four for other races) is silly when you can get 5-8 outpost ships for the same total production, then just migrate population. You'll have more planets, faster, by skipping colony ships for yellow and red planets.

Another nice trick with the Harvester manufacturing / environmental advantage is making "system outpost" ships. These are dirt cheap, and you can populate out a system quickly if you find one decent planet, get one working industry DEA with no mineral or pop shortage, and then crank system outpost ships to put outposts on all the remaining planets in that system. Then set migration orders on the more desireable planets, and you get lots of planets fast and cheap to get minerals and production out of.

It doesn't take long into the game before the Harvesters are dominant and unstoppable. Screw diplomacy - the only thing I use the diplomacy screen for is intel, by using the exchange items dialog to see who has what that I might want to take from them. Then conquer or send spies, and that's that. Slurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrppppppppp and burp.

	18-04-2003 06:21									#7
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Harvesters like cold planets with a repectable atmosphere. Look for planets that look like Europa with clouds or a cratered snowball with clouds (Bio-Arctic planets). That is my prpblem with the Harvesters, not very many Earth-sized Europas around.