15-04-2003 05:28									#1
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I think it is about time to start some Constitutional debate:

Apolytonians, Unite! Radical insurgants are attempting to take over the government, naming a so-called "President" as Head of State, and eliminating all of our ancestral claims to land and title!

We, however, have a chance to stop them! Soon to convene is a great Constitutional Convention, in which all of the best sort of people will congregate to decide upon the fate of our government.

It is the intent of this party to unite the nobility around common goals- the right to life, liberty, and property, yes, but also the protection and security a King provides.

We call for a Parliament of Lords to meet, vote and guide the nation, for a Premier to represent them, and for a King to administer justice.

It is thus, in the Year of the Banana 4000 B.C. (before the coming of the banana), that this Tory Party is formed, to champion the cause of justice for all.

Members of the Tory Party:
Thud
BetaHound
Epistax

Last edited by Thud on 16-04-2003 at 16:16

	15-04-2003 06:00									#2
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So what exactly is your platform? Just calling our leader "King" instead of president?

	15-04-2003 06:49									#3
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Well, not exactly.

First off, the King would supplant the current Court.

Second, certain nobles would each govern thier own city(s), instead of the DM, similar to the Roleplay PTW Team or the ACDG.

Third, it would involve, by individual choice, a bit of roleplaying element.

Of course, this is subject to discussion within the party and by everyone while developing the constitution.

	15-04-2003 09:49									#4
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Sounds interesting.

	15-04-2003 18:09									#5
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As long as those nobles are voted in, Im listening. No need to alienate new players in this game. GoW is also organized similarly btw. Here, though, we have far more people, and need to make it more open to change in governing bodies.

	15-04-2003 18:58									#6
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So this is less a party than an effort to get some Constitutional debate started? Excellent. Just what we need.

So you want to kickstart this debate then Thud?

	15-04-2003 21:50									#7
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So you're leaving the DIA and abandoning its democratic principles for a more aristocratic scheme?

	15-04-2003 21:56									#8
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Did the DIA not die with the last game?

	15-04-2003 22:52									#9
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Yeah, I thought it was kaput. But if civman2000 wants to revive it...

Unortho, I assume you mean the nobles that govern the cities, and not the Parliament... the Parliament is of course us. Obviously, we're going to have to work out how many nobles there should be, at the start one for every city, but at the end we obviously can't elect 50 nobles. It would be pointless.

As to whether or not this is a party: Well, I do consider this a discussion thread about having a Monarch, but later on the Tory party could come to mean anything... even being a new Hawk party.

	15-04-2003 23:07									#10
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Yes, if civman wishes to reform the DIA he is welcome, I was just pointing out you were not abandoning them since we all are starting over, or so I thought.

Breaking the city duties up via this system would be nice. The potential problems I see arising, though, would be how to deal with workers, and rushing of units/improvements with cash, I think Pop rushing could be left to the Noble over that city.

Let me try to work this out in my own mind here:

You have it set so the Parlaiment is basically the Senate, The Premeire is the President, Nobles are over the cities (DM), and the King is the Court, correct?

OK, We would vote on the Premiere every month or so, the lords to oversee the cities each month, the King every 2-3 months or so, correct?

This still leaves the matter of SMC and FAM (or similar positions). Appointed? By whom? Confirmed after appointment? Elected?

I like the RP possibilities. It is different, but not completely alien from what we already are used to.

Might be interesting to also give the King some IN GAME powers as well, such as over the treasury, sliders, and research?

As far as a Party? Ill decide when there is a set platform if I join any at all this time. Oh, who am I kidding Ill join one just to have fun opposing the DIA should it actually reform.

	16-04-2003 06:49									#11
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Thud - this Royalist joins the party. Long live the king!!!

	16-04-2003 06:56									#12
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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx Did the DIA not die with the last game?

I think the DIA died around 3500 BC in the last game.

	16-04-2003 08:45									#13
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I have to agree with Yoda.

	16-04-2003 09:08									#14
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Bah, what happened to Democracy? Nobles sound nice and all that, but it gives the impression that we'll never see another election again. I'd be against giving anyone unilateral power...

	16-04-2003 09:18									#15
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb I think the DIA died around 3500 BC in the last game.

If nothing else their policies sure did.

	16-04-2003 16:19									#16
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quote: If nothing else their policies sure did.

Hey, we managed to stop that war at the end with... whoever it was... Persia? Greece, maybe?

Hey, if you warmongers wanna bug the peaceniks, go form your own party. Or join this one and contribute. Whatever.

	17-04-2003 02:37									#17
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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx Did the DIA not die with the last game?

hi ,



we have still to do so many things , .....

we stick around till there is no more planet , ....


and then we just go on from space , ....


have a nice DIA day