16-04-2003 00:22									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph That was why I wrote germanic and not german. The Dutch are surely not German, since Bismarck forgot about them in 1871 . But they can't refuse to be Germanic, though.

Woops... my mistake. Oh well, at least I was allowed to be part of a rant today

However, if we want to take the discussion a bit further (), Bolderberg is only Dutch in name, the town is pure Belgian, thank you very much. We settled that in 1830, before Bismarck was wandering around the country side (pheh... conquering Frenchies, how hard can that be ) Next thing I know is you starting to call me a Dutchman

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	16-04-2003 01:13									#32
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Well, big nasty B did not only conquer France (well that was some sport, from time to time, although 60 years earlier it was vice versa), but happens to be the founder of an empire by peacefully uniting a lot of smallish kingdoms and counties. Well, he might have forgotten one or two, to our west...

	16-04-2003 01:46									#33
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You forget that our king is a "Von Saxen Coburg" (or somethign similar, tend to forget the spelling of his last name). And, we just came out of French rule... Bismarck didn't invade us because we supported his cause.

DeepO

	16-04-2003 13:14									#34
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OK, back on topic.

What are we going to do about the inaccuracy of the garrison and out-of-city stack data?

The only option that I can see is that the person who plays the turn keeps a log of each military unit (unit type, location, HP) and either updates the table themselves or PM's me the log so I can update.

Now, this would be a lot of work the first time, but less work after that I think - plus it would be very quick (even not needed at all??) during times of peace.

Nathan?
Since you're the main player I need your input on this. I know you have far too much to do already, but I can't see how the Infocenter could be up-to-date without the help of the player - and if it isn't up-to-date it's almost useless.

	16-04-2003 13:20									#35
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Would this be useful now?

Intel 670BC

Mil Advisor. We are compared to:
Avrg - Neu Demogypitca
Strg - Glory of War
Weak - Espana
Weak - Vox Controli
Avrg - Legoland

Neu Demogypitca needs Furs and Incense. No trades possible.
Glory of War needs Furs and Incense. No trades possible.
Espana needs Furs and Incense. No trades possible.
Vox Controli needs Furs, Horses and Iron. No trades possible.
Legoland needs Furs and Incense. No trades possible.

Neu Demogypitca needs Feudalism.
Glory of War needs Feudalism.
Espana needs The Republic and Feudalism.
Vox Controli needs Feudalism.
Legoland needs Feudalism.

Last edited by notyoueither on 16-04-2003 at 13:38

	16-04-2003 13:29									#36
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Ah, excellent NYE!

I think that's good info to keep in a central thread along with the city-status table.

Clarification: In the MilAdvisor section, are the Strng/Avrge/Weak ratings for us or them? (i.e. are we Weak compared to Espana, or are they Weak compared to us? - I'm assuming that it's the former, but thought I'd make sure.)

	16-04-2003 13:38									#37
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We are compared to...

	16-04-2003 13:43									#38
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FP, why not spread it over a couple of posts (easier reading, editing, adding aditional info such as ROP, NAA, etc..)

	16-04-2003 13:48									#39
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Main Infocenter thread: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=83664

This is now the discussion thread.

quote: FP, why not spread it over a couple of posts (easier reading, editing, adding aditional info such as ROP, NAA, etc..)

Good idea, diplomatic arrangements should go in there too. The Ambassador to each of Civ should create one post for all our current arrangements with that Civ and edit it when circumstances change.

When we have Embassy's with everyone and can see the in-game deals they have with each other (that don't include us) then these can be added too.

	17-04-2003 05:02									#40
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Fp;

Would it be possible to change some of the colors?

Can't even see anything in the one, and the second one really hurst and is almost unreadable

Sorry

PS: I think I use the MOO settings (blue background)

	17-04-2003 05:05									#41
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quote: Originally posted by alva Fp; Would it be possible to change some of the colors? Can't even see anything in the one, and the second one really hurst and is almost unreadable Sorry PS: I think I use the MOO settings (blue background)

I've noticed the same thing using the moo skin, I just thought the text was to be edited in

	17-04-2003 05:12									#42
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That could be the case too of course
But when I saw that the second one contained some text, I assumed that the first does too, if not

	17-04-2003 05:25									#43
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Actually, you should be able to check this by highlighting all text on a page (dragging will work). Doing so, text will be given another colour as background, and you should be able to see if there is text or not.

This works with all HTML, and quite handy to check out sites with e.g. black text on black background. Not that you encounter many of those in the 'mainstream' internet pages, though

DeepO

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quote: Originally posted by DeepO Actually, you should be able to check this by highlighting all text on a page (dragging will work). Doing so, text will be given another colour as background, and you should be able to see if there is text or not. This works with all HTML, and quite handy to check out sites with e.g. black text on black background. Not that you encounter many of those in the 'mainstream' internet pages, though DeepO

Yeah, thats how I realized that there was actually text there and not an empty box

	17-04-2003 07:05									#45
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FP-

On the infocenter can you give us how many of each strategic resource each civ has within their borders (connected and unconnected)?

	17-04-2003 13:23									#46
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Sorry about the colours guys - I forgot that not everybody uses the same style as me. I'll edit them out in a minute.

quote: FP- On the infocenter can you give us how many of each strategic resource each civ has within their borders (connected and unconnected)?

Yes I can do that. I'll try and get that done this afternoon.

Also, since the Garrison and stack data is woefully out of date I think I'll just delete it out for now. Having no information in those cells is better than having false information IMHO.

	17-04-2003 17:02									#47
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Is this any better?

Please comment on the time it takes to load for you, as well as the layout - bearing in mind the image and file will get bigger as the game progresses.
Load times should be OK, since it's only a ~10k gif, but let me know anyway.



As I see it:
Pros: Far easier for me to update.
Cons: I'm the only one who can update it - unless I e-mail somebody the source Excel file each turn.

	17-04-2003 18:55									#48
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Great, FP.

Maybe you should email the Excel file to the same distribution list as for the screenshots (via reply to all)...

Again, excellent work, thanks.

	17-04-2003 19:30									#49
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Far better on the eyes

	02-05-2003 15:44									#50
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The Infocenter hasn't been updated since 650 BC...
Now, I'm not complaining, I realize not everyone has the free time, actually I'm proposing to take over myself. I'll have a lot of free time in the coming few months and I suppose that if you'd make me a 3rd player for the team, I'd be able to keep the Infocenter up-to-date, as well as read out results when the turn arrives and none of the other players are online.

	02-05-2003 16:11									#51
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Shiber, you get my support to become 3rd player, also because it's a bit hazy who is player right now. I know Sir Ralph resigned, which left only Nathan, it would be good to have another player on this side of the ocean.

Don't underestimate the amount of needed micromanagement, though, if you really want to play, instead of only keep us up to date

DeepO