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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:27
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Flubber, no no.. they were 10 meters away when I attacked them. They were just next to my property when they were hanging there. It wasn't just one spit!  . Besides that's not a place to hang around, they can do it sure, but this area has nothing but peoples homes, and they don't live here, and they weren't hanging around with people from here. They could have kept a little space there, and certainly not spit to my yard. And the spitting part wasn't the one that made me tick, that was the one where I went outside and told them, not yell, told them to clean it up or get the hell away. That was when they started being really rude, and I told I'd call the cops if they keep spitting in my yard and being punks. Then they laughed me and called me names. This is when I went back inside, thinking they'd only want to provocate me and that was it. I thought they'd get tired and leave. Then I heard impact, and ran outside and figured out one of them kicked my car, well inside yard, not close to the road. And that's when I made my decision, that they just gave up their rights of being untouchable. I didn't think they'd call the cops, I thought they want to kick my butt when I charge, but to my surprise they didn't even counter. They were acting like they want to fight me, calling me bi**h and what not, so they went with fighting words. I immidiately figured, that if I don't make them go away now, they will keep doing more and more, kicking my car more and go even further until I explode. So I decided to go at it right away. In the eyes of law I naturally know I'm also guilty, guilty of even worse thing, but in the eyes of true justice I think I was the one who was right, since you don't just provocate people and attack their property, just to annoy you. So no, I didn't expect them to actually be the ones calling the cops.
It however now is known, that the one that ran away first called the cops, because he thought it would be more serious, like me jumping on one of them if I get the chance, and not just little scuffle like it was. I called one of them half an hour ago and we made up in phone. He denied calling the cops, but who is he kidding the cops told me they called them in the first place. Anyway it doesn't make any difference, and he said they don't want any ally mcbeal stuff. I said I was sorry to attack them, and they said next time I do that, I'll get my butt kicked . Still acting tough.... well anyway I agreed, so now they won't press charges and we are ok. They asked that I wouldn't press charges for kicking my car, naturally I agreed. So if everything goes ok, I think this will be forgotten in matter of few weeks.
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Al'Kimiya
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You did the right thing. Vermin like those shouldn't get off easy (read capitol punishment). They have absolutely no right being protected by law or police. The disrespect for others and their property is horrific, the world (yes I think this is a global problem) needs an attitude adjustment to countermeasure these tendencies.
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Bereta_Eder
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quote:
Originally posted by Pekka
.. yeah, I got myself into troulbe. Nothing big though, but I might have to pay fine.. for assault or battery or something like that, I don't know english terms.
I was basically protecting my property and own home, so I wish I was in US right now. Here.. things are more complicated.
Basically these F*ing wannabe tough teenagers were hanging in front of my (well not mine, but my parents) house, smoking cigarrettes and being all tough, spitting to our yard. I live in suburb area, so I don't know what the hell they were doing here anyway, since none of them lives here. So there they were, violating my property, and I go out and say 'guys, either you clean that up, or you get the hell out of here'. So they start flipping to me and cursing and calling me names. I got pissed off, I can take offences and everything, but not in my own home from strangers, acting tough teenagers. No way. So, I said 'I'll call the cops if you don't quit that ****'. We live in Finland, so basically they started laughing at me, and I understand that. Cops won't come here for that reason, and the most they'd do is say 'say you're sorry!' and that's it.
So I went back inside gutted like hell, thinking that they'll leave soon if I just went inside. Then I heard impact sound and ran outside, and one of them (one of three) was running away, and I see his footstep on my car door. This was clear message to me, I need to kick the **** out of them. They didn't even run for it, they wanted me to attack. Too bad for them they were sissies in real life, because their hoodies weren't protecting them and all the fake gold chains in their necks.
What happened is that I hit the first guy and he backs down, two of them were little bit stunned looking, and then I throw the other one to asfalt, as one of them acts like a hero and runs away. Then the second one gets up, tries to run away but I was right next to him and punched him few times and after that kicked the other guy who was still down from the first hit. They didn't get nothing much, the first guy got little swell near his neck (I don't know how he got that), and ther other one little bloody nose. That's it, nothing serious. Next thing I know, the third guy called cops! And they came and ringed the bell, and next thing I know, I'm suspected for assaulting these three 15-year old fine young men, and they apparently didn't do anything. They admitted kicking my car, but that's nothing because car didn't get any damage they say. I tried to be sneaky and claim it self defense, but we'll see.. I think they didn't buy it.
What should I do? It's nothing serious, I'll get to pay fine max., but I don't know, maybe I'll get a record or something and that would really suck, so anyone of you got any ideas what I could say to my defense? These guys provoked me, violated my yard, and then attacked my car. I warned them and order them to leave, got laughed and then I attacked them, and now they play all sweat and good guys. I think I did the right thing still, because they did this in my own home, and provoked me and attacked my property. Now I hope I was in Texas. |
And I thought me getting into an argument with the head of some company was being tough 
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Bereta_Eder
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Basically a cousin of mine has been into that sort of predicament too only without the intention.
He run over some lady with his motorcycle, knocked off some of her teeth and he got some bruises too.
Now if she decides to take him to court he can end up paying 4.000 euros as compensation.
The thing that devastated him was of course hurting the lady (although she was at fault, walking through traffic in the middle of the street and not at pedestrian lines and he was at fault cutting through the traffic between cars - both things happen all the time)
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VJ
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Helsinki
Dec 2001
time: 07:27
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I think I did the right thing still |
Me too.
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Then I heard impact sound and ran outside, and one of them (one of three) was running away, and I see his footstep on my car door. This was clear message to me, I need to kick the **** out of them. |
The only viable option.
From my experiences, the cops don't have enough resources nor time nor interest to search them from their holes, in a long time, at least. So in the meanwhile, they would've came back and ruined your life, if you would've done nothing.
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I immidiately figured, that if I don't make them go away now, they will keep doing more and more, kicking my car more and go even further until I explode. So I decided to go at it right away. |
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rah, yes, it seemed like they don't want to go to court with this either. They wanted to be little tough, but that's ok, we agreed no one presses charges, and that we don't have any grudges. He sounded sincere, so I trust this is the case. And everyone was ok, apparently there was no swelling in other guys neck as I thought, only one of them got little bloody nose that is ok now |
Good to know that there's still some justice in the world...
Last edited by VJ on 16-04-2003 at 19:06
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:27
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Yes, I'll be heading to the station in few hours. Rah definitely sounds like he knows this stuff
We can't do any deals with judges. Also there is no option of doing community service and then getting clean record. If the record comes, it comes and there's pretty much nothing I can do it to compensate so that I wouldn't get it.
I found out, that even if charges still come and it goes through, there's a possibility that I don't get a record. I don't get criminal record over this for sure, this is what you would call misdemenaour. But record is a record anyway, and if I try to apply for long term visas for example to US, or green card or what ever, it will show up even if I don't have criminal record, because they ask if you have ever been convicted, and I would have to say yes, or I would be lying and then I would definitely NOT get applications through, ever. So I'm not worried about criminal record, not going to happen, but that other record and solely because my future plans have moving to US..
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16-04-2003 01:00
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. These types thinks it's funny, but they don't have any respect for others property. They may not realize how hard people work for it. Many crimes are done by people from all ages groups, but vandalizing? Mostly youngsters who get kicks from braking stuff and making a mess. They should know how it feels to have their own property messed up, so that few teenagers get few laughs.
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