17-04-2003 10:45									#1
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ok i tryed this game, and to be fair i screwed it up. can some of you guys help me out here, maybe give me some pointers etc

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	17-04-2003 11:36									#2
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Can you give us some more information?
How did you screw up?

This is not a pretty game - the terrain is more than a little horrible - the cities are all over the place, but your victory is secure - particularly since you took the Sun Tzu route - certainly not my favourite.

My major criticism is that you have only three trade routes for the entire Empire. Were I to take over at this point I would switch production to 70% camels, 20% settlers (to get some roads down - even through this foul terrain) and 10% defence. The English (as ever) appear to be a pain in the neck - I would target them first, but not until I had the Empire more connected and every city had at least two trade routes. You have followed the AI choice of workers in most of your cities choosing food over production and trade -- there are far too many unworked specials within your cities - get workers out on to the Silk squares - more production and more trade. Why are you building City Walls in your capital - is it threatened? - certainly not obviously.

Does this help - if not ask more specific questions.

SG[1]

	18-04-2003 10:51									#3
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One small point to add to SG[1]'s comments is that you don't need luxuries at the moment. You can adjust your tax setting to give an extra 10% science and 10% tax without hitting disorder. This will increase your revenue per turn and also the rate at which you discover new technologies.

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	29-04-2003 14:06									#4
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quote: This is not a pretty game - the terrain is more than a little horrible - the cities are all over the place

I think some elaboration on this would be helpful to you. Take a look at Bactra: size 2 and already stagnant. This is mostly due to poor choice of location. If instead you had founded on the highlighted tile you would've had the whale and the rivered, shielded grassland tiles to work with (marked with smilies), currently unused by any city. And you needn't have worried about overlap with Susa, because you wold probably not bother growing the city past 8 anyway.

	29-04-2003 14:14									#5
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Similarly, if Samaria had been built 2 tiles to the SE you would've gained the whale.

You also may not be aware that roads increase trade by one on any tile that already produces trade. So building roads on river tiles makes them as good as ocean tiles for trade. "Trade Specials" (Silk, Spices, Gold, etc) benefit from the road bonus as well. Trade is what drives your civilisation.

	01-05-2003 18:38									#6
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But those mountains would make a nice outer defensive wall if need be....

	03-05-2003 15:05									#7
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A good place would be +1SE too - mountains give not much food, but it makes your city nearly impragneble and you can use that river-grassland + whale + buffalo

	03-05-2003 21:58									#8
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tried it and it was easy win as expected

	03-05-2003 22:15									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Silpy But those mountains would make a nice outer defensive wall if need be....

But they also provide an excellent dropping off point for the opposition to drop off units from a ship to attack the city

	04-05-2003 20:10									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Silpy But those mountains would make a nice outer defensive wall if need be....

I'm with Ming on this one. If you want the mountains to aid in defense, you have to build on one - or at the least, put up a fortress ot two on the mountains and occupy them with at least 2 units each (to prevent bribing.

All other things being equal, I try to not build adjacent to a mountain. Even in SP - it's too hard to kill adjacent barbs.

	05-05-2003 06:01									#11
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Yes, barbs more of a threat on an inland sea than the enemy, but no more than a threat. I've seen them drop off on plains right next to forests or hills, and I can't think of a time barbs have dropped off on a mountain in one of my games.

	07-05-2003 16:13									#12
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Actully, looking at the whole map, the city in question just happens to be in the middle. My main complaint is that you have spaced the cities too thin. There are too many gaps that enemies can station units without you knowing. This is partly the reason that you have really, really poor communications. Please, build some roads!

Anyway, you could simply station in mountains old units (perhaps ones with no home city?) there just to annoy everybody. Its amazing sometimes what units have suvived up there.

And I have only once see barbs cross mountains, but only 'cos a city was suorrunded by them.