19-04-2003 06:01									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi We can send in Al Gore to do it for us. His last attempt to steal the election was foiled last time, but now that he's had some practice he should be better at it.

Naah, better leave this job to a pro. George Bush will be looking for a new job in a couple of years.

	19-04-2003 10:38									#32
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It's not like the US has much of a choice, unless we decide to permanently occupy the country.

Well the US will have to stay in Iraq at least until all the lucrative contracts that are being handed to US companies are carried out.

	19-04-2003 10:59									#33
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 republicanism at its best i suppose.

Lest we forget the Democratic machine in Chicago.

	19-04-2003 11:02									#34
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Well, the Israelis are the only ones to show the ability to create a democratic government in the Middle East. Why not let them run Iraq?

	19-04-2003 11:43									#35
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Oh no, mister. You created this mess, you handle it!

	19-04-2003 12:17									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Oh no, mister. You created this mess, you handle it!

Yes, fine, but would it not be sweet to have an Israeli Viceroy?

	19-04-2003 12:25									#37
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erm, NO?

	19-04-2003 12:33									#38
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Oh, come now, with American boots on the ground? Would it not be fun?

	19-04-2003 12:51									#39
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Well, if you guys will pay for that...

	19-04-2003 12:55									#40
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We're paying for it one way or another...

How about Netanyahu as Supreme Administrator?

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	19-04-2003 14:04									#41
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Lest we forget the Democratic machine in Chicago.

Democrats and republicans alike. but when the democrats do it, its so much more blatant, its really emberassing.

	19-04-2003 14:21									#42
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Of course that begs the question: Bush is being lobbied by the oil indutries?

Of course not. They just bought new bike for him and he only wants to return the favour.

	19-04-2003 15:02									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Sava resisting urge to yell "I told you so"

...except you can't because you know that 12,000 people don't speak for the entire country. If you looked at 50,000 anti-war protesters in New York, would you assume that the vast majority of the United States agrees with them?

OF COURSE people would want neither America nor Saddam; this doesn't necessarily mean a thing about Iraq as a whole. The fact is we'll never know what most Iraqis think.

	19-04-2003 16:58									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Og No. Just making sure that the country remains secular. Btw what’s with that Christian population. Apolyton sources range from 3% to 33%. Can somebody provide a reliable link with information on the subject?

I don´t know how realiable the CIA is as a source of information
but th World Factbook 2002 says:

quote: Religions: Muslim 97% (Shi'a 60%-65%, Sunni 32%-37%), Christian or other 3%

Source: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...ok/geos/iz.html

	19-04-2003 17:09									#45
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Aside from Iraq becoming a muslimic state I see the danger of Civil War and Iraq splitting apart.

The whole situation reminds me of Yugoslavia.
As in Iraq there was a single ruler who governed the country (Josip Broz Tito) and just like Iraq the country was inhabited by different ethnic/religious groups.
After Tito died in 1980 it was just a matter of time til the tensions among the ethnic groups rose, some of the yugaslavian repuclics declared independence and a bloody civil war erupted.

It may be that in Iraq it was Saddam who kept the country united (although more with the use of brute Force against opposition than Tito did in Yugoslavia) and that now that Saddam is gone the tensions between Sunnites, Shiites and Kurds could possibly grow stronger within the next years.

	19-04-2003 17:19									#46
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Naah, better leave this job to a pro. George Bush will be looking for a new job in a couple of years.

	19-04-2003 18:27									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Of course not. They just bought new bike for him and he only wants to return the favour.

	19-04-2003 23:38									#48
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quote: Originally posted by LoneWolf Well, the Israelis are the only ones to show the ability to create a democratic government in the Middle East. Why not let them run Iraq?

Whish in fact is just another prove they they don't fit the place and should be asked out...

j/k

And CIA informations are never to be believed because often they just make it up (how do they count a population in a state that doesn't know itself about it? By satelite photos I guess.
This time they are probably close to being right, however.

	20-04-2003 05:53									#49
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Some sort of pseudo-democratic "national coalition" could arguably be formed and kept in power by the U.S/popular inertia, if things are done "calmly"...I doubt there will be "another Iran" in Iraq, strictly speaking....unless the country breaks into several fragmented and radicalized states beforehand.

	20-04-2003 18:29									#50
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I am angry at those that say "let them rule themselves in their own way". Some don't understand that democracy isn't a form of gouverment, it is a constant possibility of choosing a gouverment. My attitude is that everyone may do what He wishes as long as He does it to himself or any other person who wishes it. The great problem is that in Islam, there is a rule of FORBIDDING the evil and COMMANDING the right; there is some logic in this. If someone doesn't oppose a crime, He is, also in European laws, accused of participating in it. There's the same when it comes to sin, and the sin and the crime is the same there. While Christians have a knowlesge of that Bible wasn't written at once, and there
were some quarrels when it comes to this, Muslims firmly believe that nothing like that took place when it comes to Qur'an, which is not true, as we know. Neither do they know that shari'a can't be proven to be truth; they even aren't aware (at least whom I talked to) that the current hadiths
are a selection of millions of words claimed to be said by the prophet, and that the whole idea of the law based on it wasn't idea of the Prophet, or his direct comrades. Therefore they MUST treat Qur'an more seriously than we treat the Bible, and they place hadiths on the same level.

	24-04-2003 14:07									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Proteus_MST I don´t know how realiable the CIA is as a source of information but th World Factbook 2002 says: Religions: Muslim 97% (Shi'a 60%-65%, Sunni 32%-37%), Christian or other 3%

Well it seems that the Shi'a muslims have big enough majority to choose any government they want.
And so far it seem that thay want Iran style governmant.

	24-04-2003 20:59									#52
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Iraq won't become a theocracy like Iran. I don't think the Shia are united in thier wish for a clerical state. This is not to say a democracy will actually form like the US plans, but that a repeat of Iran is not likely, though given the level of dmeocracy between Iran and most of our allies in the Gulf, such an outcome for Iraq would not be the worst possible.

As for Lonewolf's comment: yeah, look how good a job was done in Southern Lebanon......