19-04-2003 00:23									#31
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Have anti US demos? Are you kidding?

	19-04-2003 00:32									#32
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Be fair paiktis, they are protesting Saddam also.

	19-04-2003 00:33									#33
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It was a joke, thus the cool smilie

	19-04-2003 00:33									#34
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Ah... apologies.

	19-04-2003 00:36									#35
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I actually think the fundies have good chances to gather much support in the near future.
Saddam has completely barred the road to power to the Imams. Religion wasn't a significant political force, and was only used to gather more support by the regime (in the few last months of it, when the regime wasn't laicist anymore)

The Imams know the current period is the time they can get to power, and they'll use the religious frustration of the population to gather support. The Sunnis will use the legitimate fear that Sunnis will suffer from revenge, and the Shiites will use the willingness to 'get back what is due'. Except if the Sunni fundamentalists are massively supported by the Sauds, I think the Shiites will win this one because they are more organized.

The complete absence of traditional political parties in Iraq (exiled parties don't count) means the divisions of the society will be handled by the only organized factions present : Kurd nationalists and religious organizations.

It is not sure Iraq will go fundy. But it is not unlikely, and efforts should be made to avoid it.

	19-04-2003 00:47									#36
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Here's also stuff that is going on now that couldn't go on under Saddam. I'm really happy to see him go, the rat bastard.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2003Apr16.html

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	19-04-2003 01:25									#37
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Not unexpected. For most Iraqis, the preferred order of things is

1. Elected leader
2. Foreign White Guys who can't speak their language.
3. Saddam

They celebrated because they moved up one on the ladder. However they want to continue moving up, and can't if US troops still reign.


BTW I think it's really funny that some of you guys are like "Yay, they're unhappy!"

	19-04-2003 01:29									#38
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i still say we shoot all the protesters as an example and say "you're not free yet, you morons, sit the f*ck down."

	19-04-2003 02:03									#39
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney i agree with dan, it's good to see these people being able to protest freely.

And yet, so many disagree with people protesting here. Not just what they say, but the fact that we do it at all. Apparently we're traitors here.

	19-04-2003 02:13									#40
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Have the Americans pla...er... found any WoMD yet?

	19-04-2003 02:26									#41
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Iraqi opinion is split. Right now, many are pissed because the US, the new sheriff in town, stood around and watched while gangs of thugs ran around and destroyed what was left of Iraq's infrastructure. (Good job, .) Iraq, however, is not homogenous, and many people are happy the Americans are there. The trick really is to get Iraq functioning quickly and set up a government that will be able to survive the inevatible civil war. The question is, will the US be there when it starts? If so, it will take the form of a war of liberation against the US.

Che, is the alliance between the Kurd communist party, the Kurd patriotic front and the US holding?

	19-04-2003 02:29									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I can't post this enough!

Sava, make up your mind. We had a good discussion the other day about what Milosevic was really trying to do in Bosnia and Kosovo, and now you are waving the radical Islamic flag?

	19-04-2003 02:35									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Sava, make up your mind. We had a good discussion the other day about what Milosevic was really trying to do in Bosnia and Kosovo, and now you are waving the radical Islamic flag?

i think he's more interested in the fact that the Iraqis themsleves don't want a US-Friendly regime (or, what America would call friendly)

	19-04-2003 02:37									#44
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Uber: Some Iraqis don't want...

	19-04-2003 02:40									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Uber: Some Iraqis don't want...

well, we need more pro-american demonstrations. that initial "thank you for liberating us" stuff doesn't counter this.

	19-04-2003 02:45									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh Have the Americans pla...er... found any WoMD yet?

No, they haven't. But they have uncovered Russian and French-made weaponry that, gee, somehow got into the Iraqi weapons arsenal long *after* the sanctions were put in place.

My, my. It appears American companies are hardly alone when it comes to whetting their appetites with weapons and restricted technology sales to certain governments. How *quaintly* human, hmmm?

Gatekeeper

	19-04-2003 03:37									#47
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quote: well, we need more pro-american demonstrations.

Why?

Do we need pro-America demonstrations in the US to show that Americans like their country?

The US won, there is no point in demonstrating for American.

	19-04-2003 04:29									#48
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quote: Have the Americans pla...er... found any WoMD yet? No, they haven't. But they have uncovered Russian and French-made weaponry that, gee, somehow got into the Iraqi weapons arsenal long *after* the sanctions were put in place.

Well. Don't forget that one of the excuses of invading Irak was that it was a threat to the world because it had MDW. The pentagon claimed that the had PROOF that there were MDW. So now, the world must ask USA: Where are the mass destruction weapons?????????
USA owes us a good explanation.

	19-04-2003 07:05									#49
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IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER VIETNAM!!!

	19-04-2003 09:48									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Gatekeeper No, they haven't. But they have uncovered Russian and French-made weaponry that, gee, somehow got into the Iraqi weapons arsenal long *after* the sanctions were put in place.

Any evidences?
I saw how your troops found stockpiles of American anti-tank missiles and British SAMs that, gee, somehow got into the Iraqi weapons arsenal long *after* the sanctions were put in place. So what?
The only thing which I saw had "made in Russia" label was night vision goggle that's
a) not a military night vision goggle
b) could be bought here absolutely freely, easily and legally
c) in fact designed for hunters
d) cost around 75$.
Go ahead educate me, what else Russian eqipment your troops found?

	19-04-2003 09:54									#51
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quote: Go ahead educate me, what else Russian eqipment your troops found?

Koronet anti-tank missiles for one thing...

	19-04-2003 10:00									#52
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quote: Originally posted by South killer Well. Don't forget that one of the excuses of invading Irak was that it was a threat to the world because it had MDW. The pentagon claimed that the had PROOF that there were MDW. So now, the world must ask USA: Where are the mass destruction weapons????????? USA owes us a good explanation.

Give them time. First they need to deliver those WMD from USA and put some Arabic letters on them. Fabrication of evidences it's not an easy process, it requires some time. But you can be sure sooner or later they will "find" many weapons of mass destruction. I guess it will be a huge arsenal.

	19-04-2003 10:05									#53
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Oh, honestly, who cares? Saddam is gone. Does the reason we went really matter anymore? Or should we say "Oops, sorry Saddam, here is your country back, go ahead and rape and torture as you were?"

	19-04-2003 10:07									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: Go ahead educate me, what else Russian eqipment your troops found? Koronet anti-tank missiles for one thing...

Where, when and how you found a single Kornet?
You're just repeating words of your leadership which complained at the beginning of war that "we are doing not so well as we expected, because evil Russian sold some of their modern weaponry to Iraq. Blahblahblah. we know this but we have no proofs. blahblahblah.

If your leadership was unable to prove that Iraqis have Kornets, I doubt YOU can do this.

	19-04-2003 10:13									#55
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quote: Originally posted by LoneWolf Oh, honestly, who cares?

The rest of the world wants to know who gave USA right to invade independent countries if USA don't like leaders of those countries.

quote: Saddam is gone. Does the reason we went really matter anymore?

The reason was clear from the beginning- Iraqis oil.

quote: Or should we say "Oops, sorry Saddam, here is your country back, go ahead and rape and torture as you were?"

Now you companies will start to pillage Iraq. Great alternative- we will kill your dictator, replace him with dozen of our dictators and we will have to rob you after that.

	19-04-2003 10:13									#56
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quote: Oh, honestly, who cares? Saddam is gone. Does the reason we went really matter anymore?

That is a very dangerous attitude to have.

	19-04-2003 10:45									#57
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX well, we need more pro-american demonstrations. that initial "thank you for liberating us" stuff doesn't counter this.

Just posted this in other thread on this topic, but since that one's likely to be closed I'll put it here:

Even though Americans have no historical memory, other countries still do. It's been less than a century since the last time Iraq was occupied by Western power, and given the brutality of that occuption (for one thing, it featured the first use of ariel bombardment as a means of "pacifying" a civilian population -- thank you, Winston Churchill) it's no surprise that the Iraqi response now is, in the words of an old big band tune, "I told you I love you; now get out."

	19-04-2003 10:50									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Serb The rest of the world wants to know who gave USA right to invade independent countries if USA don't like leaders of those countries. The reason was clear from the beginning- Iraqis oil. Now you companies will start to pillage Iraq. Great alternative- we will kill your dictator, replace him with dozen of our dictators and we will have to rob you after that.

Did we ask? Are we the only ones who didn't like those "leaders"?

	19-04-2003 10:50									#59
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quote: Originally posted by cinch That is a very dangerous attitude to have.

Why?

	19-04-2003 10:54									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly Just posted this in other thread on this topic, but since that one's likely to be closed I'll put it here: Even though Americans have no historical memory, other countries still do. It's been less than a century since the last time Iraq was occupied by Western power, and given the brutality of that occuption (for one thing, it featured the first use of ariel bombardment as a means of "pacifying" a civilian population -- thank you, Winston Churchill) it's no surprise that the Iraqi response now is, in the words of an old big band tune, "I told you I love you; now get out."

Regarding your signature:

Indeed, we see the need and respond. Do you realize that there were CHILDREN IN PRISON in Iraq?