18-04-2003 23:26									#1
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this happened to me while playing red front
take a look at the screenshots, I promise they are real

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	18-04-2003 23:28									#2
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and after killing the U-boat this is what happened
anybody knows what is going on here?

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	19-04-2003 00:17									#3
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You sunk the U-boat and it turned into one of your own units? Weird. Never seen that before.

I'd guess it's an events.txt gone wrong - but that's just the vaguest guess. I know that often when one destroys a unit in RF, new ones spawn automatically. Maybe this is one of those events?

Definitely a good reason to save and reload.

	19-04-2003 11:33									#4
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Pretty funny, and I can honestly say, that I've never experienced it.

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	19-04-2003 13:23									#5
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I assume STYOM is right. It looks like some of the settings of RF have been mixed up.

	19-04-2003 22:04									#6
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no, it is not because the events,
I put my unit there to sleep before, and then and the u-boat move there and didn't kill the unit, just move in the same square

a few turns before my ship was kill by a u-boat.

first time you see this?

	19-04-2003 22:11									#7
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Very, very strange.

I have a hard time believing it has to do with events though... Atleast not in the way suggested. It'd be more likely in that case that the game failed to realize that there was a unit there allready and spawned one on top if it in that case...
I don't think any units are supposed to spawn in that part of the atlantic though.

	20-04-2003 00:24									#8
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I've seen something like this in a MP game where caravans were mysteriously sleeping in the middle of the ocean.
Can you activate and command the sleeping unit after the "incident"?

	20-04-2003 04:29									#9
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Isn't that like that other bug in Red Front? The one that keeps the americans from advancing? They capture a german city, but the game thinks it belongs to the russians?

I have had a version of this bug happen to me: I left a frigate in the top-left most square, and a U-boat spawned on top of it. Once I moved the frigate, I could kill the u-boat with another unit. One time I didn't move the frigate at all, and the U-boat moved one square, killed the frigate, then went on.

No big deal. Certainly not game altering, unlike the thing with the americans...

	20-04-2003 07:44									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Cal Isn't that like that other bug in Red Front? The one that keeps the americans from advancing? They capture a german city, but the game thinks it belongs to the russians? I have had a version of this bug happen to me: I left a frigate in the top-left most square, and a U-boat spawned on top of it. Once I moved the frigate, I could kill the u-boat with another unit. One time I didn't move the frigate at all, and the U-boat moved one square, killed the frigate, then went on. No big deal. Certainly not game altering, unlike the thing with the americans...

Yep I agree with Cal. I just had this happen to me in Red Front, a U Boat spawned from events on top of a cruiser. I killed the uboat with a destroyr and the Cruiser could move again. Very strange. You would think the unit could NOT spawn in a sqaure occupied by an enemy unit.

	20-04-2003 17:49									#11
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we could make a test, maybe in the sea square the units just appears via event no matter which units are in the spot

	20-04-2003 18:25									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Shaka Naldur we could make a test, maybe in the sea square the units just appears via event no matter which units are in the spot

Thats my guess...........

	20-04-2003 20:17									#13
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yes, I've seen exactly the same bug in Red Front Cal described, a u-boat being created in the extream top left tile, regardless of my units being there.
I had a similar weird bug in the "Up the deadly boot" scenario, where when I would move units into one of by cities I would attack my own units within it! Like the game thought it belonged to the enemy.

	20-04-2003 22:42									#14
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Uh... does this seem a bit contrived to anybody else? How is it you knew to take a screenshot before this "weird" event happened?

	21-04-2003 01:14									#15
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don't be so suspicious darthveda
i'm playing red front
i save every turn and when it happened to me i reload to take the screenshots,
i can look for the *.sav file if you want

	24-04-2003 16:19									#16
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Shaka, I've seen this before too. The only thing I'm not too sure of is whether it occurs because of the terrain type the unit is created on (ocean) or the domain of the unit (sea).

If I remember correctly there was an event in 2194days where the Americans got a transport in a particular city every turn - however if you captured the city the transport would still be created and could thus be disbanded for an extra few shields.

	24-04-2003 23:55									#17
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I don't think it is an event this time, I don´t think the ai has a u-boat via event..

	25-04-2003 20:22									#18
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It is a creat unit event which is not supposed to happen to an occupied square but does hapen regularly in sea squares.

	25-04-2003 21:48									#19
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I've just checked, a u-boat is creat via events everyturn in the same square my ship went to slep (12,4)

didn´t know the ai had u-boats via event